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Indy wrote: ↑

Mon May 02, 2022 3:06 pm

He must be antifa.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm

Duh.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:46 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm

Duh.

You read the article?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:49 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:46 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm

Duh.

You read the article?

No. I don't waste my time on conspiracy theories.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Fri May 06, 2022 12:23 pm

Hey, remember Ray Epps? And how he was the evil secret cause of January 6? Turns out, nah, bullshit.

CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: . . . The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts. . . .

CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.

THE FACTS: No, it didn’t.

-they claim there were more drop boxes in metro Atlanta (309) than actually existed in the *entire* state (just under 300) -the cell phone pings of “antifa rioters” don’t really correspond to real places (like a bunch in a cemetery?)

-the “mule” route doesn’t line up w/dropboxes?

-How come they don’t ever show you videos of the alleged “mules” showing up at multiple locations like they claim to have?

-how come they don’t tell you that even if a ballot is “harvested” the return method is illegal but the ballot (assuming info checks out) is?

-how come they made you pay $30 to consume something that should be so earth-shattering that it should be shared widely for free and it’s a for-profit movie and you can’t see all the evidence they have? -and how come there’s no resolution other than “trust us, it’s bad?”

If anything they claimed was true, many more trusted people and orgs would be sharing it.

It’s not a cover up, it’s a grift, by people who want to scare you into thinking the election was stolen by widespread absentee fraud instead of more people voting for the other candidate!

I’m going back to vacation, but the bottom line is you should trust your vote in Georgia, regardless of party affiliation. It’s the most scrutinized, most accessible most trustworthy system the state has seen. And I hope you still vote!

• Since they had so much data, they chose to focus on focus on those that visited at least 10 different drop-boxes & also visited 5 political not for profits during those same trips. This filtered it down to 2000 mules in AZ, GA, PA, WI, and MI, with them averaging about 26 drop-boxes per mule.

• In PA alone, they tracked 1100 mules, and found that many of them traveled to political Not for Profits in NJ and then to the drop-boxes.

• The 4 million minutes of surveillance video they got were from the state governments official surveillance cameras set up to monitor each drop-box.

• There were several cameras where they tracked a lot of mules to in AZ, which happened to have the cameras turned off.

• They also matched up the number of ballots picked up from the official counts and chain of custody of the drop-boxes with the visits to the drop-boxes. In one example, they had over 1,900 ballots picked up(can't remember the exact number) from the drop-box to only 242 visits tracked.

• After a news report that the FBI tracked a harvester from finger prints came out, they noticed that the tactics of the mules changed and they started wearing rubber gloves. Even showed a lady from SC that was doing this for both the election and the run offs in GA, how she went directly to the drop-box and didn't look at the trash can. After she dropped the ballots off in the drop-box, she immediately discarded the gloves into the trash can, because she knew exactly where it was. In GA, you can have your family member or caregiver take your ballot, but not to anyone else. You can't even give it to your neighbor.

• So many more things that show it wasn't just a family member taking the families ballots to the drop-boxes.

• When they lowered the criteria to 5 drop-boxes visited & 3 not for profits per mule, the number of mules increased to over 83,000 in those 5 states. They didn't even look at the entire states, just focusing on those counties and areas where they flipped and were contested.

• They even had a whistleblower from Yuma county(but they didn't actually do the data tracking and video out of Yuma county) in the movie. They didn't show the alleged whistleblower from GA that supposedly made $45K in the time from

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/


CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.

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“Ballot harvesting” is a pejorative term for dropping off completed ballots for people besides yourself. The practice is legal in several states but largely illegal in the states True the Vote focused on, with some exceptions for family, household members and people with disabilities.

True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.

If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit.

The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.

“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”

What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said.

Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day.

True the Vote has said it filtered out people whose “pattern of life” before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations. But that strategy wouldn’t filter out election workers who spend more time at drop boxes during the election season, cab drivers whose daily paths don’t follow a pattern, or people whose routines recently changed.

In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.

A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members.

For example, Larry Campbell, a voter in Michigan who was not featured in the film, told The Associated Press he legally dropped off six ballots in a local drop box in 2020 — one for himself, his wife, and his four adult children. And in Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office investigated one of the surveillance videos circulated by True the Vote and said it found the man was dropping off ballots for himself and his family.

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/

CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.

THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.

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Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street, who was there for the group’s testimony in March, told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group’s 1,155 anonymous “mules,” even though he didn’t deposit anything into a drop box in that time period.

Street said he based his assessment on the fact that he carries a cellphone, a watch with a cellular connection, a tablet with a cellular connection and a mobile hotspot — four devices whose locations can be tracked by private companies. He also said he typically travels with a staffer who carries two devices, bringing the total on his person to six.

During the 2020 election season, Street said, he brought those devices on trips to nonprofit offices and drop box rallies. He also drove by one drop box up to seven or eight times a day when traveling between his two political offices.

“I did no ballot stuffing, but over the course of time, I literally probably account for hundreds and hundreds of their unique visits, even though I’m a single actor in a single vehicle moving back and forth in my ordinary course of business,” Street said.

City election commission spokesman Nick Custodio said the allegations matched others that had been debunked or disproven after the 2020 election.

“The Trump campaign and others filed an unprecedented litany of cases challenging Philadelphia’s election with dubious and unsubstantiated allegations of fraud, all of which were quickly and resoundingly rejected by both state and federal courts,” Custodio said.

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/

CLAIM: Alleged ballot harvesters were captured on surveillance video wearing gloves because they didn’t want to leave their fingerprints on the ballots.

THE FACTS: This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 — cold weather or COVID-19.

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True the Vote’s researcher claimed in the movie that voters in Georgia started wearing gloves to prevent their fingerprints from touching ballot envelopes after two women in Yuma, Arizona, were indicted on Dec. 23, 2020 for alleged ballot harvesting in that state’s primary election. But the Arizona indictment didn’t mention anything about fingerprints.

Voting in Georgia’s Jan. 5, 2021, Senate runoff election occurred during some of the coldest weeks of the year in the state, and when COVID-19 was surging.

In fact, the AP in 2020 documented multiple examples of COVID-cautious voters wearing latex gloves and other personal protective equipment to vote.

In a similarly speculative allegation, the film claims its supposed “mules” took photographs of ballots before they dropped them into drop boxes in order to get paid. But across the U.S., voters frequently take photos of their ballot envelopes before submitting them.