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Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:14 pm
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:02 pm
Back to Okogie:
He essentially hasn't improved on anything since coming into the league. But he still has great athleticism, great measurables, good motor, and is only 23. Maybe this is where Mutombo's value comes to the fore, and he can tap into some of Okogie's unrealized potential.
From the videos I've seen of coach, he definitely will push him.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:16 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:10 pm
Would be nice to have Jalen Smith at $4.6M right now instead of Torrey.
You're killing me, 'bazz. I try to not think about how monumentally incompetent Jones was with how he handled Jalen Smith.
"Jalen wasn't better than [Suns backup center] JaVale [McGee] on a competitive team trying to win a championship," Jones says.
JaVale? You mean the center you just let walk just a few months later? It's scary to have such a shortsighted GM.
And again, think about how the Suns want to play. Being able to have a center with 3-point range who can get a double-double on any given night, is young, and can finish above the rim? Those don't grow on trees. Was adding Torrey Craig really that important? Really?!
Ugh, so frustrating.
Wish he was running the Warriors. He would have traded Jordan Poole after his rookie year for E'Twaun Moore.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:40 pm
by JeremyG
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:02 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:13 pm
We still have an Ayton trade to make if KD doesn’t pan out.
Says who?
Everyone. There is no way he plays out a contract with the Phoenix Suns.
Unless they acknowledge their massive underutilization of him and change their ways.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:41 pm
by JeremyG
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:16 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:10 pm
Would be nice to have Jalen Smith at $4.6M right now instead of Torrey.
You're killing me, 'bazz. I try to not think about how monumentally incompetent Jones was with how he handled Jalen Smith.
"Jalen wasn't better than [Suns backup center] JaVale [McGee] on a competitive team trying to win a championship," Jones says.
JaVale? You mean the center you just let walk just a few months later? It's scary to have such a shortsighted GM.
And again, think about how the Suns want to play. Being able to have a center with 3-point range who can get a double-double on any given night, is young, and can finish above the rim? Those don't grow on trees. Was adding Torrey Craig really that important? Really?!
Ugh, so frustrating.
Wish he was running the Warriors. He would have traded Jordan Poole after his rookie year for E'Twaun Moore.
And all that is
after passing on Haliburton to pick him.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:06 pm
by Mori Chu
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:42 pm
That's how it is when you go top heavy on stars tho. The depth takes a hit - like Philly, BK, Lakers, LBJ/DWade Heat teams. You end up with 9th/10th guys starting or in the 6th/7th man roles.
That's why I prefer to not build that way.
When the Heat did it, it made sense because the guys were so young. But going that route with guys at or near the end of their careers seems like you are just setting yourself up for failure.
The Booker / CP3 / KD core is kind of giving me late-90s Rockets vibes with Drexler-Pippen-Hakeem. Bunch of awesome players but maybe a couple of years too late to team them up.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:10 pm
by TOO
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:06 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:42 pm
That's how it is when you go top heavy on stars tho. The depth takes a hit - like Philly, BK, Lakers, LBJ/DWade Heat teams. You end up with 9th/10th guys starting or in the 6th/7th man roles.
That's why I prefer to not build that way.
When the Heat did it, it made sense because the guys were so young. But going that route with guys at or near the end of their careers seems like you are just setting yourself up for failure.
The Booker / CP3 / KD core is kind of giving me late-90s Rockets vibes with Drexler-Pippen-Hakeem. Bunch of awesome players but maybe a couple of years too late to team them up.
KD and Book are fine, the only worry is Paul, but being the 3rd option should alleviate some of the offensive pressure he has.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:42 pm
by Shabazz
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:40 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:02 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:13 pm
We still have an Ayton trade to make if KD doesn’t pan out.
Says who?
Everyone. There is no way he plays out a contract with the Phoenix Suns.
Unless they acknowledge their massive underutilization of him and change their ways.
In honor of INF….
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:01 pm
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:06 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:42 pm
That's how it is when you go top heavy on stars tho. The depth takes a hit - like Philly, BK, Lakers, LBJ/DWade Heat teams. You end up with 9th/10th guys starting or in the 6th/7th man roles.
That's why I prefer to not build that way.
When the Heat did it, it made sense because the guys were so young. But going that route with guys at or near the end of their careers seems like you are just setting yourself up for failure.
The Booker / CP3 / KD core is kind of giving me late-90s Rockets vibes with Drexler-Pippen-Hakeem. Bunch of awesome players but maybe a couple of years too late to team them up.
Drexler never played with Pippen.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:12 pm
by Indy
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:01 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:06 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:42 pm
That's how it is when you go top heavy on stars tho. The depth takes a hit - like Philly, BK, Lakers, LBJ/DWade Heat teams. You end up with 9th/10th guys starting or in the 6th/7th man roles.
That's why I prefer to not build that way.
When the Heat did it, it made sense because the guys were so young. But going that route with guys at or near the end of their careers seems like you are just setting yourself up for failure.
The Booker / CP3 / KD core is kind of giving me late-90s Rockets vibes with Drexler-Pippen-Hakeem. Bunch of awesome players but maybe a couple of years too late to team them up.
Drexler never played with Pippen.
Yeah I think he mixed up Clyde and Barkley
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:44 pm
by Cap
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:01 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:06 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:42 pm
That's how it is when you go top heavy on stars tho. The depth takes a hit - like Philly, BK, Lakers, LBJ/DWade Heat teams. You end up with 9th/10th guys starting or in the 6th/7th man roles.
That's why I prefer to not build that way.
When the Heat did it, it made sense because the guys were so young. But going that route with guys at or near the end of their careers seems like you are just setting yourself up for failure.
The Booker / CP3 / KD core is kind of giving me late-90s Rockets vibes with Drexler-Pippen-Hakeem. Bunch of awesome players but maybe a couple of years too late to team them up.
Drexler never played with Pippen.
Yes he did — Barcelona 1992.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:43 pm
by Mori Chu
Yeah my bad, I meant Barkley Pippen Hakeem.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:14 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I went on my own Jock deep dive recently and now my expectations are sky high. He's a really good fit in Monty's system.
(I had similarly high expectations for Dario when he arrived...
)
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:29 pm
by Shabazz
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:14 pm
I went on my own Jock deep dive recently
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:32 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I know my audience.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:40 pm
by Mori Chu
I've had a real itch to hear new content about Jock. Yes, my Jock itch has been out of control lately.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:06 pm
by ShadowHawke
Iffe your having a real Jock itch problem, you need to wage a serious CamPayne to get it under Dominayton.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:30 pm
by Shabazz
Seems like our 30th pick in last year’s draft is leaving after a handful of meaningless regular season games.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:34 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
30th pick? He came over mid-season on a 2-way deal.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:47 pm
by Shabazz
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:34 pm
30th pick? He came over mid-season on a 2-way deal.
yup….
Officially, the Suns traded away their 2021 first-round pick (No. 29) last July when they packaged it with Jevon Carter for Landry Shamet. In their judgment, they essentially acquired a 24-year-old sharpshooter in Shamet and his Bird rights. Internally, they regard 27-year-old Danish guard Gabriel "Iffe" Lundberg, whom they signed in March, as this year's draft pick, tantamount to what they could have obtained with the 30th selection, which went to Oklahoma City in the Chris Paul trade.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/ ... gnoring-it
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:27 am
by Flagrant Fowl
OK, I see what you mean. Maybe they said that or maybe it's spin. We don't have any direct quote about it that I know of. Kinda doesn't matter either.
The reality is a 2-way and 1st round pick are considerably different.