Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:32 am
You don’t need to convince me…
BELIEVE ME!
(I get it. You want to shit on the Suns draft philosophy.)
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Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:38 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:20 am
Iffe gone, as he wasn't offered a contract. Literally, what TF is mgt doing? No draft pick, they didn't keep a player that might have given them some help in managing their wing situation if we end up losing some people in the Ayton mess...etc. Sorry, feels to me like we screwed the pooch on that...
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:39 am
We don't use either one, so they are the same to Jones!Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:27 amOK, I see what you mean. Maybe they said that or maybe it's spin. We don't have any direct quote about it that I know of. Kinda doesn't matter either.
The reality is a 2-way and 1st round pick are considerably different.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:53 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:01 am
How do you folks think about the potential fit of Turner next to Durant? Would they play well together?
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:08 am
He doesn't rebound either. But he might not be staying and could be part of the trade with Brooklyn.
I don't think we need a stretch 5 that doesn't rebound if we have KD. But Turner is a plus defender.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:21 am
Latest from Jake Fischer from B/R
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... dre-ayton
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... dre-ayton
Despite Durant's trade request from Brooklyn—mere hours before free agency commenced on June 30—the Nets are not operating with any sense of urgency to move Durant, sources told B/R. After a flurry of trade chatter heading into the holiday weekend, league personnel have begun discussing the potential for Brooklyn to retain Durant—as well as Kyrie Irving—into the regular season, should a commensurate package for the two-time Finals MVP never emerge.
There's no pressure on Brooklyn. Durant has four more years remaining on his contract. And it will prove challenging, maybe even impossible, to find a trade partner that can meet Brooklyn's lofty asking price for Durant, which is perceived to be at least one All-Star caliber talent and a surplus of draft capital, all while Durant's new team still has enough firepower to support his championship aspirations. An All-NBA superstar requesting a trade, while still considered to be a top-five player in the league, is a virtually unprecedented event in league history.
"Rudy Gobert getting traded for an arm, a leg and two mountains is helping their cause. There's no way the Nets will ever trade Kevin Durant for anything less than what Rudy Gobert got Utah," said one Western Conference executive. "If nothing comes, I can see them saying [to the players], 'We just all have to come back.' If I'm them, I just try to string this out as long as possible."
Ayton's restricted free agency appears to be the offseason domino Durant's trade limbo has most directly stalled. Toronto and Indiana have repeatedly been mentioned as looming landing spots for the talented young center, but Utah has been described to B/R as an unlikely destination for Ayton, despite the Jazz moving off Gobert.
There are still expected to be other suitors for Ayton, league sources told B/R, and an offer sheet could come soon now that the moratorium is ending. When an NBA team signs a restricted free agent to an offer sheet, the two-day window in which the player's incumbent team can match said offer can only begin once the moratorium period concludes. Signing a sheet before Wednesday afternoon would have locked the offering team into a difficult purgatory.
If Ayton signs into Indiana's cap space, that could actually impact Durant's trade request. Even an Ayton sign-and-trade to Indiana would complicate the cleanest path for Phoenix to acquire Durant—Ayton's free agency. In that scenario, it's unlikely that Phoenix and Indiana could create a combined package that would entice Brooklyn to part with Durant.
Pacers center Myles Turner has not generated significant traction on the trade market this offseason, sources said. A theoretical trade return of Turner, multiple Suns wings and draft capital still wouldn't appear to satisfy the Nets, according to sources.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:27 am
My gut tells me we are going to see major movements on the Ayton and Durant fronts by the end of this week. Specifically, while I’m in the middle of watching Thor: Love and Thunder, which will completely take me out of the movie. Wasting the 21 bucks I paid for an IMAX ticket. 
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:00 am
Ayton's willingness to play in Salt Lake City, Indianapolis or Brooklyn is the real monkey wrench in the deal.
If they deal ends up with him going somewhere where he doesn't want to play, he can simply not sign and kill the deal.
The Suns front office has been a clown show for most of the time since the end of the 2021 Finals.
If they deal ends up with him going somewhere where he doesn't want to play, he can simply not sign and kill the deal.
The Suns front office has been a clown show for most of the time since the end of the 2021 Finals.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:06 am
I need this Durant thing to Phoenix to happen. Plain and simple. My laker fan coworkers have talked to much shit at this point. I need this Win. 
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:08 am
Don't be that guy checking his phone during the movie!Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:27 amMy gut tells me we are going to see major movements on the Ayton and Durant fronts by the end of this week. Specifically, while I’m in the middle of watching Thor: Love and Thunder, which will completely take me out of the movie. Wasting the 21 bucks I paid for an IMAX ticket.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:25 am
Explain.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:00 amThe Suns front office has been a clown show for most of the time since the end of the 2021 Finals.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:21 pm
Jalen Smith fiasco.Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:25 amExplain.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:00 amThe Suns front office has been a clown show for most of the time since the end of the 2021 Finals.
DeAndre Ayton free agency fiasco
Signing Lundburg to a two-way contract and hyping him although his chances of making any impact were minimal
Failure to make a significant trade at the trade deadline
Playoff collapse and apology
Kevin Durant negotiations
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:33 pm
How can you call the KD negotiations a clown show? We don't even know how it will end up yet?The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:21 pmJalen Smith fiasco.Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:25 amExplain.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:00 amThe Suns front office has been a clown show for most of the time since the end of the 2021 Finals.
DeAndre Ayton free agency fiasco
Signing Lundburg to a two-way contract and hyping him although his chances of making any impact were minimal
Failure to make a significant trade at the trade deadline
Playoff collapse and apology
Kevin Durant negotiations
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:44 pm
Maybe it's only a small part of the clown show, but when you see how much more they're supposedly offering than they gave up to get a 29-year-old Charles Barkley in 1992 (Jeff Hornacek and spare parts) you have to wonder why they're still talking to Brooklyn.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:47 pm
How did that trade work out for Philly? Why should Brooklyn emulate it?The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:44 pmMaybe it's only a small part of the clown show, but when you see how much more they're supposedly offering than they gave up to get a 29-year-old Charles Barkley in 1992 (Jeff Hornacek and spare parts) you have to wonder why they're still talking to Brooklyn.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:52 pm
I am not sure using a 30 year old NBA trade is a great barometer. Remember that the 76ers were looking to move Chuck (wasn't long after he spat on a little girl). Jeff was an all-star and Andrew Lang and Tim Perry were starters on a playoff team. So 3 starters with 1 of them being an all-star for a guy the 76ers were looking to move wasn't just spare parts.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:44 pmMaybe it's only a small part of the clown show, but when you see how much more they're supposedly offering than they gave up to get a 29-year-old Charles Barkley in 1992 (Jeff Hornacek and spare parts) you have to wonder why they're still talking to Brooklyn.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:55 pm
It continued the slide that started the night they they traded Moses Malone for Jeff Ruland & Cliff Robinson and the #1 pick (Brad Daugherty) to Cleveland for Roy Hinson.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:47 pmHow did that trade work out for Philly? Why should Brooklyn emulate it?The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:44 pmMaybe it's only a small part of the clown show, but when you see how much more they're supposedly offering than they gave up to get a 29-year-old Charles Barkley in 1992 (Jeff Hornacek and spare parts) you have to wonder why they're still talking to Brooklyn.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:05 pm
For Brooklyn to emulate? Look who Brooklyn is! They took a gigantic risk of trading for an injured KD and turning their entire team into a Kyrie sandbox —wherein KD was down for. Then they added Harden into the fold. Brooklyn’s organization seems rather disorganized as if ran by 8th graders who only watch the Allstar Games.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:47 pmHow did that trade work out for Philly? Why should Brooklyn emulate it?The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:44 pmMaybe it's only a small part of the clown show, but when you see how much more they're supposedly offering than they gave up to get a 29-year-old Charles Barkley in 1992 (Jeff Hornacek and spare parts) you have to wonder why they're still talking to Brooklyn.