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Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:30 pm
by TOO
Magic is a pompous turd, can't stand him

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:14 pm
by Ring_Wanted
He he. Pompous turd.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:36 pm
by Mori Chu
Yeah, Magic should not make a tweet like that. It's so spiteful and childish. Not cool.

Mike D wasn't a great coach for them, but given what they had this year, I'm not sure how they could have done much better.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:53 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Jamal Crawford wins 6th Man of the Year award.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source- ... --nba.html

This year it's been pretty tough. Crawford, Ginobili, Taj Gibson and Markief Morris all had a case.

Crawford averaged 18.6ppg, 42/36/89%, 30min, 69 games (24 starts). Also #3 in the L in 4Q scoring.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:15 am
by ShelC
Quite douchey of Magic. Especially coming from a guy supposedly linked to buying the Clips.

I know i mentioned Minny, but if MJax gets canned I'd want to see MikeD in GS. Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green, Lee...they'd average 125pts easily. And remember, Rick Welts is prez up there too. He'd do great in a more laid back city like SF without the spotlight and pressure. He's not a big market coach with a big personality.

Hollins is being linked to LA but you know Byron Scott is drooling for that job. Kerr will be on the list for sure. SVG and Karl aren't the personalities for LA.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:19 am
by Superbone
Shabazz wrote:
Earvin Magic Johnson ‏@MagicJohnson 2h

Happy days are here again! Mike D'Antoni resigns as the Lakers coach. I couldn't be happier!
Pretty classless for a guy who did a much shittier job when he was in the same spot.
Yep, very petty and unnecessary.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:46 am
by Ring_Wanted
And yes, Magic showed no class with that tweeter. If you don't like the guy just take solace that he is not coaching your team anymore and don't be an ass about it.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:34 am
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote:
Earvin Magic Johnson ‏@MagicJohnson 2h

Happy days are here again! Mike D'Antoni resigns as the Lakers coach. I couldn't be happier!
Pretty classless for a guy who did a much shittier job when he was in the same spot.
Classless and unnecessary.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:37 am
by SwingMan
Ring_Wanted wrote:Jamal Crawford wins 6th Man of the Year award.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source- ... --nba.html

This year it's been pretty tough. Crawford, Ginobili, Taj Gibson and Markief Morris all had a case.

Crawford averaged 18.6ppg, 42/36/89%, 30min, 69 games (24 starts). Also #3 in the L in 4Q scoring.
Absolute bullshit - a chucker who's a partial starter. Shit, give Shannon Brown those minutes & shot attempts, I bet he gets similar numbers all around. :roll:

Markieff started exactly zero games (and played every game but the one he was suspended for to begin the season), yet garnered 13.8/6 with 1.8 assists, .8 steals & .6 blocks shooting 49/32/79 in 26.6 minutes.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:38 am
by INFORMER
ShelC wrote:Quite douchey of Magic. Especially coming from a guy supposedly linked to buying the Clips.

I know i mentioned Minny, but if MJax gets canned I'd want to see MikeD in GS. Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green, Lee...they'd average 125pts easily. And remember, Rick Welts is prez up there too. He'd do great in a more laid back city like SF without the spotlight and pressure. He's not a big market coach with a big personality.

Hollins is being linked to LA but you know Byron Scott is drooling for that job. Kerr will be on the list for sure. SVG and Karl aren't the personalities for LA.
I would love to see him in Golden State. That team would be an offensive juggernaut. He's also do well in Minnesota, though they would probably have to move Pekovic.

Hollins would be a good fit in LA.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:41 am
by SwingMan
Shabazz wrote:
Earvin Magic Johnson ‏@MagicJohnson 2h

Happy days are here again! Mike D'Antoni resigns as the Lakers coach. I couldn't be happier!
Pretty classless for a guy who did a much shittier job when he was in the same spot.
This.

He seems to have convenient amnesia on the fact that he was head coach the last time the Lakers were in the damn lottery. :lol:

After the way D'Antoni went out of here, I'm no fan of the man, but he did a hell of a lot for what he had to work with this season.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:47 am
by INFORMER
SwingMan wrote:
Ring_Wanted wrote:Jamal Crawford wins 6th Man of the Year award.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source- ... --nba.html

This year it's been pretty tough. Crawford, Ginobili, Taj Gibson and Markief Morris all had a case.

Crawford averaged 18.6ppg, 42/36/89%, 30min, 69 games (24 starts). Also #3 in the L in 4Q scoring.
Absolute bullshit - a chucker who's a partial starter. Shit, give Shannon Brown those minutes & shot attempts, I bet he gets similar numbers all around. :roll:
Shannon Brown is not going to be one of the league leaders in 4th quarter scorer on a team that could win a championship.

He started a little over a third of his games which is considerable, but coming off the bench 2/3 of the time still qualifies you as a sixth man. Missing 13 games puts a dent in his case though, IMO.

I don't love the choice, but I think it's justifiable, and certainly not "absolute bulls--t."

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:54 am
by Ring_Wanted
It's an ok choice. They couldn't go wrong with him, Ginobili, Gibson or Kieff.

Still believe there is something fundamentally flawed with this award. If you play 30 minutes you are not a sixth man, you are a starter. There are fake starters (remember Royal Ivey?) and there are also fake bench players like Ginobili.

I don't know if they should disqualify those who average more than X minutes per game, say 25, but they definitely should consider it, along with % of starts.

Minor complaint anyway.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:02 am
by SwingMan
INFORMER wrote:
SwingMan wrote:
Ring_Wanted wrote:Jamal Crawford wins 6th Man of the Year award.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source- ... --nba.html

This year it's been pretty tough. Crawford, Ginobili, Taj Gibson and Markief Morris all had a case.

Crawford averaged 18.6ppg, 42/36/89%, 30min, 69 games (24 starts). Also #3 in the L in 4Q scoring.
Absolute bullshit - a chucker who's a partial starter. Shit, give Shannon Brown those minutes & shot attempts, I bet he gets similar numbers all around. :roll:
Shannon Brown is not going to be one of the league leaders in 4th quarter scorer on a team that could win a championship.

He started a little over a third of his games which is considerable, but coming off the bench 2/3 of the time still qualifies you as a sixth man. Missing 13 games puts a dent in his case though, IMO.

I don't love the choice, but I think it's justifiable, and certainly not "absolute bulls--t."
Hmmm - no, it's absolute bullshit.

No bench player has been as all-around productive and efficient this year as Markieff Morris - not making the playoffs is the stigma that caused it.

The Suns have been passively screwed this year - from Dragic not making the all-star team (and fucking Reggie Jackson dogging it in the skills challenge) to getting #18 as opposed to #17 to Hornacek losing COY to Markieff losing the 6th man award.

Have they announced EOY yet? Way things are going, McDonough's sure to lose that.....

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:09 am
by INFORMER
Ring_Wanted wrote: Still believe there is something fundamentally flawed with this award. If you play 30 minutes you are not a sixth man, you are a starter.
I can't agree with that.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:09 am
by Ring_Wanted
Swing I don't agree with the all-around point if I have to include defense too, but we've talked about this before.

Re: Around the League: May 2014

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:45 am
by INFORMER
I thought this was interesting:
As far as how teams manage their scouting databases once the information is relayed by their scouts, there are three different methods. The most common is a custom-built program by the team that lives on a private, internal server, which cost between $50,000 and $60,000 to design, and around $20,000 per year to maintain. Those teams include the Bobcats, Cavaliers, Hawks, Magic, Mavericks, Raptors, Rockets, Spurs, Thunder, Trail Blazers, Boston Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers and Utah Jazz.

"A third of the league builds their own very high-end, very sophisticated, very comprehensive internal database, which you can't get into," another scout said. "They'll tier it. The GM can see everything. The assistant GM can see most. But the scouts won't read the GM's notes."

The second way is no database—simply involving e-mails, Word documents and Excel spreadsheets shared among the front office. And the third, which is the trendiest, is a password-protected online account through basketball website RealGM.com. Eleven teams are now involved, including the Nets, Pacers, Warriors, New Orleans Pelicans and New York Knicks.

"It’s the depth of information, and the quality of our tools and reports that set RealGM apart," said Todd Essman, RealGM's chief operating officer.

But one NBA scout was surprised to hear that teams use RealGM, saying, "I'm really not sure why they would for security purposes." To note, at the recent MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, a big conversation piece centered around "high-profile hacks," according to another scout, in the wake of a breach of credit and debit card data at Target that may have affected as many as 40 million shoppers.

"NBA teams were saying that they feel like that could be the next big embarrassment, like if somebody downloads all your scouting files and tracks them or leaks them to Deadspin," the scout said.

But Essman made it clear, "We have never had a security issue. We practice the protocols that big financial institutions do so everything is as safe as an online banking session."

While internal databases have been around longer, RealGM's scouting service—which also has a salary cap and player transaction software product—first arrived during the 2011-12 season. Each team's cost per season is between $30,000 and $40,000, and the overall price tag is about $50,000 less than an internal database over a five-year span, according to a scout.

Essman said RealGM added six teams this season and have more interested heading into 2014-15.

Re: Around the League: May 2014

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:52 am
by TOO
Wow, who knew RealGM had that sort of tech and power? Very interesting.

Re: Around the League: the offseason

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 11:14 am
by SwingMan
Ring_Wanted wrote:Swing I don't agree with the all-around point if I have to include defense too, but we've talked about this before.
Alright, answer me this, then: What kind of defender is Jamal Crawford?

Re: Around the League: May 2014

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 11:36 am
by Ring_Wanted
A very bad one, of course. I said I was ok with it, not thrilled about the choice, mainly because there was another guy who also put up numbers but played great defense too. Kieff goes under the same principle. He had a very nice season and won us games, but I can't say that he got robbed.