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Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:53 pm
by carey
I don't get it.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /94440128/
Not long before he left the game and the court, Warren began grabbing his left shoulder and shaking his arm. Miles drew attention away from Warren when he hurt his left knee but Warren simultaneously went to the training room and then the hospital. He said it was not a concussion.
“Just a minor head injury,” Warren said. “They didn’t really give me too much detail but I should be all right.”
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:07 pm
by ShelC
Just read that. Something's weird there. Maybe some sort of stinger in his neck that made him arm go numb?
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:55 pm
by carey
Enough said. I won't say anything else about Brandon Knight until he's traded.
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/802596587272740864
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:19 pm
by Cap
FWIW, you can say almost the same thing about Len. AASE is -130 on the season, Len is -127, and the team is -104.
On the other end of the spectrum we have Ulis (+32), Bender (+30), and Williams (+21).
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:28 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:FWIW, you can say almost the same thing about Len. AASE is -130 on the season, Len is -127, and the team is -104.
On the other end of the spectrum we have Ulis (+32), Bender (+30), and Williams (+21).
Obviously, we'd have a perfect record if Ulis, Bender, and Williams started.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:20 pm
by carey
https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/802651644626251777
Yeah, he can laugh... because he's being tickled by the dunker!
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:34 pm
by Mori Chu
The only way I can keep myself from crying about Knight being on the team is to see how the Lakers have a strong record so far. If they make the playoffs, we will have traded a middle-first-rounder for a shot at Knight, which is still horrible, but not franchise-crushing horrible.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:47 pm
by Mori Chu
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:14 pm
by Nodack
In layman's terms? The Suns, a team that is perpetually outscored, outscores their opponent when Brandon Knight doesn't play. That's a huge red flag.
You think?
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:36 pm
by Cap
carey wrote:https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/802651644626251777
Yeah, he can laugh... because he's being tickled by the dunker!
That's cheating!
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:52 pm
by SDC
here's a list of the best "3 and D" players in college so far. (sorted by Defensive Pllus Minus)
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... er_by=dbpm
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:09 pm
by SDC
bobster, which is the most reliable statistic to gauge a player's defensive efficiency?
Defensive rating = an estimate of pts allowed per 100 possession
Defensive Win Shares = an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense
Defensive Plus/Minus =
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:17 pm
by SDC
the best wing players in college today (around 6'5 to 6'9)
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... rder_by=ws
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:53 pm
by The Bobster
SDC wrote:bobster, which is the most reliable statistic to gauge a player's defensive efficiency?
Defensive rating = an estimate of pts allowed per 100 possession
Defensive Win Shares = an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense
Defensive Plus/Minus =
There's so much that goes into defense - you have to throw the eyeball test in the too.
I wouldn't say there there is any one way, but if a guy stinks at all of them (like Knight does) that tells us a lot.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:43 am
by Mori Chu
I don't know the answer, but any form of plus/minus is deeply flawed and can't be used as the primary argument for much of anything.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:26 pm
by carey
Solid tweet.
https://twitter.com/EastBayRaymundo/status/802971082852442114
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:30 pm
by SDC
there's still a way to salvage knight and watson.
start all 3 (booker, bledsoe, knight) + warren
suns have enuf backcourt talent and wing players to fill backup roles.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:31 pm
by SDC
The Bobster wrote:SDC wrote:bobster, which is the most reliable statistic to gauge a player's defensive efficiency?
Defensive rating = an estimate of pts allowed per 100 possession
Defensive Win Shares = an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense
Defensive Plus/Minus =
There's so much that goes into defense - you have to throw the eyeball test in the too.
I wouldn't say there there is any one way, but if a guy stinks at all of them (like Knight does) that tells us a lot.
but if you have to choose one, which is the best among the 3 stats to sort players defensively?
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:56 am
by Superbone
I really thought the team was going to be better this year. Looks like we're going to be one of the bottom feeders again. At least it's finally in a really good draft. I think we will be better when Warren comes back but it's looking like a sure thing that we'll be in the bottom third of the league.
Re: Suns News: Week 5 11/21-11/27
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:16 am
by TOO
Superbone wrote:I really thought the team was going to be better this year. Looks like we're going to be one of the bottom feeders again. At least it's finally in a really good draft. I think we will be better when Warren comes back but it's looking like a sure thing that we'll be in the bottom third of the league.
What a time to be alive!