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TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is bantha fodder poodoo. You guys are nuts.

Yeah, I've only seen him a couple times but I was not impressed.

But he went to Arizona, so he must be good.

DX has him as the top white guy in the draft.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is bantha fodder poodoo. You guys are nuts.

Yeah, I've only seen him a couple times but I was not impressed.

But he went to Arizona, so he must be good.

Oh yeah, right. My bad.

Cap wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is bantha fodder poodoo. You guys are nuts.

Yeah, I've only seen him a couple times but I was not impressed.

But he went to Arizona, so he must be good.

DX has him as the top white guy in the draft.

I'd rather have Collins.

Cap wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is bantha fodder poodoo. You guys are nuts.

Yeah, I've only seen him a couple times but I was not impressed.

But he went to Arizona, so he must be good.

DX has him as the top white guy in the draft.

But he's tall and European, so he's obviously a stiff.

It's less about getting Markkanen exactly, although I clearly like the guy, and more about getting a 2fer in a deep lottery that includes a Bledsoe replacement.

But watching more Tatum video I think we'd be crazy passing him up at 4 if jackson is gone - there's easily a case to be made for him being at least Jackson's equal.

Either way, someone is going to get a very good player in the late lottery and beyond.

I'd change my top 5 as well - swap out Isaac for markkanen.


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Superbone wrote:

Cap wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is bantha fodder poodoo. You guys are nuts.

Yeah, I've only seen him a couple times but I was not impressed.

But he went to Arizona, so he must be good.

DX has him as the top white guy in the draft.

I'd rather have Collins.

Same.

And its not really close for me.

Right now, my top 5 are: Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Monk

I'm higher on Markkanen than Collins, although I wouldn't build a team around him. I think Collins is going to be a bit of a journeyman.

In2ition wrote:Right now, my top 5 are: Jackson, Tatum, Monk, Isaac, Monk

I'm higher on Markkanen than Collins, although I wouldn't build a team around him. I think Collins is going to be a bit of a journeyman.

So, you like Monk almost twice as much as Isaac but less than Jackson and Tatum?

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:

In2ition wrote:Right now, my top 5 are: Jackson, Tatum, Monk, Isaac, Monk

I'm higher on Markkanen than Collins, although I wouldn't build a team around him. I think Collins is going to be a bit of a journeyman.

So, you like Monk almost twice as much as Isaac but less than Jackson and Tatum?

Whoops, I meant Fox in the third spot. Haha

I'd rather have TJ Leaf than Markkanen.

(Obligatory must only compare tall white guys to each other.)

Markkanen is too slow and can't play D. I could see him as a backup on a team that just jacks 3s like the Rockets maybe, but I think generally he'll be an NBA bust.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Markkanen is too slow and can't play D. I could see him as a backup on a team that just jacks 3s like the Rockets maybe, but I think generally he'll be an NBA bust.

His foot speed may not be great but if you watch him when he shoots three's he's more than agile enough to manoeuvre and jump away from his defender and hit them falling away or sideways....So he's not just a spot up shooter iow and at 7ft tall he'll find a role, just as long as he brings his shooting % with him.

I'm on record saying I want Tatum over Jackson.

Other than his tendency to not pass to the open man, the worst parts of which can be coached out of him, he's a baller and he's long...or more accurately, he's NBA length whereas Jackson is a total short a$$.

Tatum's standing reach is 8'10" (same as Kawhi Leonard) Jackson's is 8'3", literally the same as some guys who are 6'2", suggesting he'll struggle against the long SF's in the league.

Plus there's potential character issues we've proven we can't handle (less concerned about this).

Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Markkanen (no point on Monk as we've got Booker, and who wants a 6'4" shooting guard anyway, and I'm calling Isaac the big bust of the top 10)

You had me at Tatum

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:You had me at Tatum

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3rdside wrote:I'm on record saying I want Tatum over Jackson.

Other than his tendency to not pass to the open man, the worst parts of which can be coached out of him, he's a baller and he's long...or more accurately, he's NBA length whereas Jackson is a total short a$$.

Tatum's standing reach is 8'10" (same as Kawhi Leonard) Jackson's is 8'3", literally the same as some guys who are 6'2", suggesting he'll struggle against the long SF's in the league.

Plus there's potential character issues we've proven we can't handle (less concerned about this).

Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Markkanen (no point on Monk as we've got Booker, and who wants a 6'4" shooting guard anyway, and I'm calling Isaac the big bust of the top 10)

I don't think that standing reach number is accurate for Jackson. He's been measured 5 times and his other 4 are 8'6, 8'8, 8'9, 8'10 His height and wingspan are only slightly lower than Tatum, my guess is he's in the 8'8 to 8'10 region. Or basically the same as Tatum.

Split T wrote:

3rdside wrote:I'm on record saying I want Tatum over Jackson.

Other than his tendency to not pass to the open man, the worst parts of which can be coached out of him, he's a baller and he's long...or more accurately, he's NBA length whereas Jackson is a total short a$$.

Tatum's standing reach is 8'10" (same as Kawhi Leonard) Jackson's is 8'3", literally the same as some guys who are 6'2", suggesting he'll struggle against the long SF's in the league.

Plus there's potential character issues we've proven we can't handle (less concerned about this).

Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Markkanen (no point on Monk as we've got Booker, and who wants a 6'4" shooting guard anyway, and I'm calling Isaac the big bust of the top 10)

I don't think that standing reach number is accurate for Jackson. He's been measured 5 times and his other 4 are 8'6, 8'8, 8'9, 8'10 His height and wingspan are only slightly lower than Tatum, my guess is he's in the 8'8 to 8'10 region. Or basically the same as Tatum.

Yeah and yeah - I was imagining a cartoonish broad shouldered beast of a human being to have a span that wide but standing reach that short.

Jackson, Tatum, Isaac. I am not listing any more, because one of those will be there.

3rdside wrote:

Split T wrote:

3rdside wrote:I'm on record saying I want Tatum over Jackson.

Other than his tendency to not pass to the open man, the worst parts of which can be coached out of him, he's a baller and he's long...or more accurately, he's NBA length whereas Jackson is a total short a$$.

Tatum's standing reach is 8'10" (same as Kawhi Leonard) Jackson's is 8'3", literally the same as some guys who are 6'2", suggesting he'll struggle against the long SF's in the league.

Plus there's potential character issues we've proven we can't handle (less concerned about this).

Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Smith, Markkanen (no point on Monk as we've got Booker, and who wants a 6'4" shooting guard anyway, and I'm calling Isaac the big bust of the top 10)

I don't think that standing reach number is accurate for Jackson. He's been measured 5 times and his other 4 are 8'6, 8'8, 8'9, 8'10 His height and wingspan are only slightly lower than Tatum, my guess is he's in the 8'8 to 8'10 region. Or basically the same as Tatum.

Yeah and yeah - I was imagining a cartoonish broad shouldered beast of a human being to have a span that wide but standing reach that short.

Its got to be physically impossible to have his height and wingspan and have a standing reach that low. Even if his shoulders were really broad, he could tilt them and get beyond 8'3". He would have to be nearly crippled. I know some players have fudged their standing reach so their vert looks much better, but even that would be silly.

Jackson is my #1 choice at 3. Don't over think this.