Kyrie Irving Trade Countdown

[djy2j]

I'm pretty sure the flat earth thing was a joke

It wasn't. Unfortunately.

Ugh. I forgot about that. God dammit he's stupid. Now I'm conflicted.

[In2ition]

I'm pretty sure the flat earth thing was a joke

It wasn't. Unfortunately.

Ugh. I forgot about that. God dammit he's stupid. Now I'm conflicted.

He's actually very bright. Probably smarter than most of us on here. I'm not suggesting that he's smart because of the Flat Earth theory that he believes though. I personally don't believe it, but have listened to their "evidence".

Heck, the Flat Earth theory was presented as a doctoral thesis. The student submitted her thesis after five years of work; it was then sent to two assessors, thus passing the first stage of approvals. The reports were expected soon, for the thesis defense to be scheduled.

[n4th4n]

I'm pretty sure the flat earth thing was a joke

It wasn't. Unfortunately.

Ugh. I forgot about that. God dammit he's stupid. Now I'm conflicted.

He's actually very bright. Probably smarter than most of us on here. I'm not suggesting that he's smart because of the Flat Earth theory that he believes though. I personally don't believe it, but have listened to their "evidence".

Heck, the Flat Earth theory was presented as a doctoral thesis. The student submitted her thesis after five years of work; it was then sent to two assessors, thus passing the first stage of approvals. The reports were expected soon, for the thesis defense to be scheduled.

Ummmm. Okay.

[O_Gardino]

ESPN says Suns would trade Eric Bledsoe and 2017 first-round draft pick Josh

i had half-heartedly suggested a bled + 4th pick for kyrie before the draft but withdraw my half
bled is only 2 years older than kyrie
and we'd be losing our 2 best defensive players for a below average defender on a team with way below average defense

i love kyrie's game. for the past 3 years he heroically willed the cavs to wins in the playoffs when they were running out of steam
but it's too much to give up

besides, i honestly have a problem with a guy who believes the earth is flat
i know IQ and basketball IQ are not the same thing
i thought kidd was a little dense off the court
but this earth flat thing haunts me

A 2 dimensional plane only has 2 surfaces - the top and bottom. A "sphere" only has 2 surfaces - the inside and the outside. "Sphere" theory has never been proven. So called "spheres" are just 2D planes folded over on themselves. Therefore, they are flat. Get woke.

[Split T]

If the cost of Kyrie is JJ, I would pass.
Still prefer being the 3rd team in the trade

I'm ok with that too. Ntilikina or Fox would be nice. My order of preference would be
1. Get Kyrie without giving up Fox
2. Facilitate Kyrie to another team
3. Get Kyrie and give up Jackson

[Superbone]

I'm pretty sure the flat earth thing was a joke

It wasn't. Unfortunately.

Huh? What are you guys talking about?

[Superbone]

So, who is Kyrie? Is he the James Harden player who would blossom as a facilitator in addition to his scoring once out of LeBron's shadow. Or is he the ultimate selfish player that will shoot his new team into oblivion and the locker room into disaster?

None of us were in that Cavaliers locker room. None of us were on the court with him to know if we would have been frustrated by his hero ball play. But our new team VP was. James Jones was in that locker room. James Jones was on the floor, and he is a pretty smart basketball player. I would think that he would know if Kyrie is a good add for this team or not. I am so glad he is on our management team right now. His insight is essential.

Great point!

[Superbone]

Thanks for making a thread for this. It deserves its own thread. Here's what I said in the other thread about the idea of the trade:

I would trade Bledsoe, Jackson, and a pick for Kyrie. I look at it this way. Bledsoe is not part of our future. Giving him up is almost zero loss for us, especially since we get his replacement back. The pick, I would insist that it not be our own pick, but maybe the Miami 1st rounder. I can live with that.

Jackson is the most difficult asset to part with. But the guy can't shoot. He's probably Andre Iguodala in a very, very best case scenario. Would you trade Bledsoe and Andre Iguodala for Kyrie? I think you should. He's probably a top-10 player in the NBA, an exceptional scorer and a much better shooter than Bledsoe. I agree that he isn't a pass-first PG, but I don't think he is as selfish as some are saying. His assists are down a bit because he plays with Lebron and the Cavs run most of their offense through Lebron.

Trading Bledsoe, Jackson, and a so-so 1st round pick for Kyrie is the classic "dollar for three quarters" trade. All of those pieces combined won't be as good as Kyrie Irving is going to be. If we are attached to that 1st round pick and don't want to part with it, we could try to make it Bledsoe-Jackson-Chriss-2nd rounder instead. That might be easier to stomach.

I would trade one of Chriss, Bender, Warren before I would part with Josh Jackson. This team needs that defense to build in the future. I know everyone says he can't shoot. But his shot goes in. I don't think anyone else can match what we can offer anyway. Patience. Oh, and if James Jones says don't do it. Don't do it.

I agree. Saying he can't shoot is wrong. I watched every summer league game. He can shoot. It might not be the prettiest shot but like you said, it goes in. However, I did see some perfect swishes in there as well. From three and off fade away jumpers.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

Why people, even media, keep bringing Jackson up to the table?
He is already under contract, so unless I'm wrong, he can not be traded until december 15th, right? Or it is just rethoric about how much we could have accepted?

The same with Ntilikina in NY.

[Superbone]

Why people, even media, keep bringing Jackson up to the table?
He is already under contract, so unless I'm wrong, he can not be traded until december 15th, right? Or it is just rethoric about how much we could have accepted?

The same with Frank in NY.

According to INF, these rookies can in fact be traded.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

I didn't catch it, how is the rule that said so?

[Split T]

Why people, even media, keep bringing Jackson up to the table?
He is already under contract, so unless I'm wrong, he can not be traded until december 15th, right? Or it is just rethoric about how much we could have accepted?

The same with Frank in NY.

According to INF, these rookies can in fact be traded.

Rookies aren't considered like free agents. They can be traded 1 month after they sign. So early August for most guys

[Furlanfufi]

I'm pretty sure the flat earth thing was a joke

It wasn't. Unfortunately.

Huh? What are you guys talking about?

Kyrie told the media he believed the Flat Earth theory.
And he was being serious.

[Sunsfan4life]

I wouldn't do a Bledsoe,Pick, Jackson deal. Sorry. I don't see Irving turning us into a serious contender and he is only hear for two years than we'll see.

I'd do Bledsoe, Chriss, and Miami pick. I think that is worth the risk but, I'd prefer to be the 3rd team as others have pointed out bringing both Bled and Chandler to the table. Booker/Jackson.our own picks all have to stay. I have no idea how Fox's name is getting thrown into this, but yea if we had a shot to get him I'm absolutely doing it.

[Furlanfufi]

https://theringer.com/phoenix-suns-pote ... 51bd0f0ad7

Good read about Kyrie and the Suns

There are numbers that should really concern any team that trades for him. The Cavs were minus-120 in 635 minutes with Kyrie on and LeBron off last season, and nearly half of those minutes (312) came with Kevin Love. Tyronn Lue could hardly afford to take LeBron off the floor in the playoffs: Their net rating plummeted from plus-13.6 with him to minus-13.8 without him. The Cavs had three All-Stars, yet were as close to a one-man team as they could be. Kyrie ranked 40th in assist percentage and 71st in defensive RPM among NBA point guards, and if he couldn’t be bothered to play defense or share the ball when he was contending for a title, what is he going to do on a team that will struggle to crack .500? No matter how many points a backcourt of Kyrie and Booker score, they might give up just as many on the other end of the floor.

[Split T]

I wouldn't do a Bledsoe,Pick, Jackson deal. Sorry. I don't see Irving turning us into a serious contender and he is only hear for two years than we'll see.

I'd do Bledsoe, Chriss, and Miami pick. I think that is worth the risk but, I'd prefer to be the 3rd team as others have pointed out bringing both Bled and Chandler to the table. Booker/Jackson.our own picks all have to stay. I have no idea how Fox's name is getting thrown into this, but yea if we had a shot to get him I'm absolutely doing it.

Sacramento was mentioned as someone interested in Kyrie with Fox being their bait. Cleveland would seem to have more interest in Bledsoe than Fox.

[Superbone]

I think I'm all in on the facilitator direction with us basically moving Bledsoe for Ntilinkina. Irving is a superstar but not the right one for this team. I'd rather see the entire young team grow together and pick up a beast in the next draft and then build that team to prominence.

It's time to cash in on Bledsoe.

[Flagrant Fowl]

I wouldn't do a Bledsoe,Pick, Jackson deal. Sorry. I don't see Irving turning us into a serious contender and he is only hear for two years than we'll see.

I'd do Bledsoe, Chriss, and Miami pick. I think that is worth the risk but, I'd prefer to be the 3rd team as others have pointed out bringing both Bled and Chandler to the table. Booker/Jackson.our own picks all have to stay. I have no idea how Fox's name is getting thrown into this, but yea if we had a shot to get him I'm absolutely doing it.

Sacramento was mentioned as someone interested in Kyrie with Fox being their bait. Cleveland would seem to have more interest in Bledsoe than Fox.

Fox to Phoenix, Bledsoe to Cleveland, Irving to Sacramento.

Thanks for the erection.

[1tinsoldier]

id do Chriss and Bender with Bled
i've only seen them in the summer league
but i'd guess they are long shots to be a star
perhaps a 50/50 shot between being a starter or bench player years from now
the kind of players that are often available for trade in or free agency pickup

i don't know why anyone keeps making it an issue that jj can't shoot.
perhaps he won't be a high percentage shooter
be he can score, and defend, and hustle, and likely be a leader

[1tinsoldier]

I wouldn't do a Bledsoe,Pick, Jackson deal. Sorry. I don't see Irving turning us into a serious contender and he is only hear for two years than we'll see.

I'd do Bledsoe, Chriss, and Miami pick. I think that is worth the risk but, I'd prefer to be the 3rd team as others have pointed out bringing both Bled and Chandler to the table. Booker/Jackson.our own picks all have to stay. I have no idea how Fox's name is getting thrown into this, but yea if we had a shot to get him I'm absolutely doing it.

Sacramento was mentioned as someone interested in Kyrie with Fox being their bait. Cleveland would seem to have more interest in Bledsoe than Fox.

Fox to Phoenix, Bledsoe to Cleveland, Irving to Sacramento.

Thanks for the erection.

a trade that puts fox here and bled in cleveland is on the right track, but cleveland needs more...