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Why would I get rid of them? Because I'm tired of aggressive mediocrity.Split T wrote:Why would you want to get rid of ulis and Williams? Sure, you move them if you have to, but I think he's saying there is no reason to actively shop them.
Exactly. They are great for the locker room and they are smart on the court. But their value around the NBA probably isn't high, so keep them. Let their personalities and intelligence define the Suns team for a decade. Then hire them as coaches. Obvs, if someone wants them bad enough to overpay, you absolutely trade them.Split T wrote:Why would you want to get rid of ulis and Williams? Sure, you move them if you have to, but I think he's saying there is no reason to actively shop them.
Booker's our only guy who could start for almost any team in the league. Chandler, Monroe and Warren could probably start for a lot of teams.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Why on earth do you try to keep Ulis and Williams until they retire? Because they are good guys? I love Sauce's energy as much as the next guy, but c'mon buddy. Ulis is a nice 3rd guard on a good team, back up on a bad one. The only person on this roster we must keep is Booker. He's the only guy on our whole roster that could start on a different team. SAD!
Chandler maybe, Monroe doesn't start for us, or for his old team, hes a dinosaur. Warren is another maybe, very dependant on the team make up, he doesn't 3D enough for most teams, he fits here because we have nobody else that can score. So sure, Chandler, Monroe, Warren can start for teams like us, bad ones. Meh.Cap wrote:Booker's our only guy who could start for almost any team in the league. Chandler, Monroe and Warren could probably start for a lot of teams.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Why on earth do you try to keep Ulis and Williams until they retire? Because they are good guys? I love Sauce's energy as much as the next guy, but c'mon buddy. Ulis is a nice 3rd guard on a good team, back up on a bad one. The only person on this roster we must keep is Booker. He's the only guy on our whole roster that could start on a different team. SAD!
Sure, let their mediocrity breed more mediocrity. Its the Phoenix Suns way.specialsauce wrote:Hire them as coaches?
I disagree with his fundamental assessment that Bender doesn't move well enough to play the 4. It's not his physical movement speed that holds him back.n4th4n wrote:The Ringer posted a Sophomore Check-In written by Jonathan Tjarks, who I find to be one of the most perceptive writers out there when it comes to analyzing young talent. He dedicated a section to Bender. Tjarks comes to the conclusion that Bender needs to be playing the 5, which I completely agree with.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1 ... don-ingram
Bender can clearly move well enough. He has shown even yesterday that he can stop drives to the basket on defense of even guards. I think the biggest obstacle of Bender playing the 5 is really Bender. I don't think he wants to play that position and will be resistant to it. His favorite player and the player he tries to emulate is Toni Kukoc, therefore playing the 5 is him giving in to his own vision of himself. Perhaps 5 is the best position ultimately, God knows the guys at center now are uninspiring except in flashes. The problem I would have to that move is how easily he will give up space and be bullied at that position if moved there. It's not like Amare, who actually gave opposing centers fits, because he was so quick.O_Gardino wrote:I disagree with his fundamental assessment that Bender doesn't move well enough to play the 4. It's not his physical movement speed that holds him back.n4th4n wrote:The Ringer posted a Sophomore Check-In written by Jonathan Tjarks, who I find to be one of the most perceptive writers out there when it comes to analyzing young talent. He dedicated a section to Bender. Tjarks comes to the conclusion that Bender needs to be playing the 5, which I completely agree with.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1 ... don-ingram
You think there's just players as good as ulis and Williams playing in the D league? Neither are game changers, they're backups, but they both look very solid. Especially Williams. He's better than our 3 headed C monster we currently play.TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Why would I get rid of them? Because I'm tired of aggressive mediocrity.Split T wrote:Why would you want to get rid of ulis and Williams? Sure, you move them if you have to, but I think he's saying there is no reason to actively shop them.
Yeah, I'm not sure moving Bender to center helps our offense. For that to work, he would have to try to score. As is, defenders just sag way off him knowing he will pass when he gets the ball. Maybe moving him to 5 gives him the confidence to do more, and maybe not.In2ition wrote:Bender can clearly move well enough. He has shown even yesterday that he can stop drives to the basket on defense of even guards. I think the biggest obstacle of Bender playing the 5 is really Bender. I don't think he wants to play that position and will be resistant to it. His favorite player and the player he tries to emulate is Toni Kukoc, therefore playing the 5 is him giving in to his own vision of himself. Perhaps 5 is the best position ultimately, God knows the guys at center now are uninspiring except in flashes. The problem I would have to that move is how easily he will give up space and be bullied at that position if moved there. It's not like Amare, who actually gave opposing centers fits, because he was so quick.O_Gardino wrote:I disagree with his fundamental assessment that Bender doesn't move well enough to play the 4. It's not his physical movement speed that holds him back.n4th4n wrote:The Ringer posted a Sophomore Check-In written by Jonathan Tjarks, who I find to be one of the most perceptive writers out there when it comes to analyzing young talent. He dedicated a section to Bender. Tjarks comes to the conclusion that Bender needs to be playing the 5, which I completely agree with.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1 ... don-ingram
Good or bad?In2ition wrote:Have you guys seen the leaked images of the Suns 5th jersey? I don't have an image myself, but if they are true, oh boy...
Superbone wrote:Good or bad?In2ition wrote:Have you guys seen the leaked images of the Suns 5th jersey? I don't have an image myself, but if they are true, oh boy...
Idk, are cheap looking Rec League uniforms a good or bad look?Wally_West wrote:Superbone wrote:Good or bad?In2ition wrote:Have you guys seen the leaked images of the Suns 5th jersey? I don't have an image myself, but if they are true, oh boy...