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Suns begin search for head coach now with interim Jay Triano a candidate: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2287 ... head-coach

Triano's agent, Warren LeGarie, requested that his client be able to prepare a formal presentation at the end of the season, away from the grind of the final weeks, LeGarie told ESPN. Triano prefers to make sure that he's giving his undivided attention to the team, ahead of his aspirations to be eventually installed as the full-time coach.

I don't think that's going to matter much.

n4th4n wrote:

Indy wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

carey wrote:Dudley, McDonough tired of losing, ready for big roster overhaul: https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... r-overhaul

The Suns did this with eyes wide open. They needed to try to develop their new core with playing time, unencumbered by demanding vets. And they needed to lose enough games to draft that next superstar. So they shipped out any big-minute veterans and rolled out the ball to see what would happen.

Bullshit. We would still be playing Morris, Knight, and Bledsoe if those guys hadn't forced our hands via trade demands and injuries. Let's not pretend we were smart enough to do this on purpose.

Exactly. Don't lie to us by saying this was part of the plan. You effed up again, and are now saying you meant to do it.

I mean, this was clearly the plan over the last few years. The moment we drafted Bender and Chriss the FO knew we were going to be one of the worst teams in the league for the next few years. And that is what they wanted. We drafted two raw prospects as a commitment to tanking and rebuilding. The product you are seeing right now was 100% intentional.

I think you're fooling yourself.

carey wrote:Dudley, McDonough tired of losing, ready for big roster overhaul: https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... r-overhaul

The problem I have with that crap article and some of the comments from the Suns is that they're acting like the current state of the Suns is due to youth. It's not.

The roster stinks because it lacks talent and intelligence. You're getting nothing from the PF position. You're below average at the point guard position. And no one can defend.

And guess what? Some of the worse pieces of the team ARE VETERANS. Brandon Knight was abysmal before he got injured. Tyson Chandler has been a waste of an acquisition. And Jared Dudley just doesn't move the needle on a team like this, and his lack of athleticism and conditioning is starting to catch up to him.

The FO certainly had no idea both Bender and Chriss were both going to be this bad. The odds of two top-10 picks being completely unplayable was low to begin with, but here we are.

Watson really put us in it with Chriss. That was a notoriously weak draft anyways. Best thing would've been trading out altogether for a future lotto pick. We knew Bender would be a project and he's shown some improvement this year. Still, even what he projects to doesn't seem encouraging.

The Rising Stars challenge showed us how good the youth on this team is.

n4th4n wrote:We were projected as one of the worst teams in the league by every single betting market in existence. It's not a surprise that were are this bad. There is no way the FO didn't know this.

fivethirtyeight had us with 31 wins at the start of the season. Espn had us with 30 wins. I can't find how to look up historical predictions from bbk-ref, though. None of these are good records, but nothing had us close to not cracking 20. We are MUCH worse than the market expected in October.

I see no need to react to articles like that. Judge not what they say; judge what they do.

Wormwood wrote:The FO certainly had no idea both Bender and Chriss were both going to be this bad. The odds of two top-10 picks being completely unplayable was low to begin with, but here we are.

They had to have some idea, I mean neither of them did anything to show they were even worthy of being top 10 picks. Bender was a guy who got picked because of Porzingis hype, sure he flashes a nice jumper from time to time and he looks like he wants to defend on the perimeter, but Chriss, man, he was just a run jump guy with no IQ at Washington, and look now, the same damn thing. Meh.

Indy wrote:

n4th4n wrote:We were projected as one of the worst teams in the league by every single betting market in existence. It's not a surprise that were are this bad. There is no way the FO didn't know this.

fivethirtyeight had us with 31 wins at the start of the season. Espn had us with 30 wins. I can't find how to look up historical predictions from bbk-ref, though. None of these are good records, but nothing had us close to not cracking 20. We are MUCH worse than the market expected in October.

Vegas over/unders slotted us in with the 3rd worst record in the league. Obviously, this was before we traded Bledsoe.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/vega ... very-team/

Wormwood wrote:The FO certainly had no idea both Bender and Chriss were both going to be this bad. The odds of two top-10 picks being completely unplayable was low to begin with, but here we are.

They are both worse than we hoped they would be at this point. And frankly, I don't think any of us believe in Chriss. But that doesn't change the fact that they were drafted as projects to begin with. No one in the world thought either of them would contribute to winning during their first few years in the league. Even the best rookies rarely make a team better.

Indy wrote:

n4th4n wrote:We were projected as one of the worst teams in the league by every single betting market in existence. It's not a surprise that were are this bad. There is no way the FO didn't know this.

fivethirtyeight had us with 31 wins at the start of the season. Espn had us with 30 wins. I can't find how to look up historical predictions from bbk-ref, though. None of these are good records, but nothing had us close to not cracking 20. We are MUCH worse than the market expected in October.

Basketball-reference doesn't start their season projections until the season is well underway.

Can anyone throw some names out as to whom Chriss could potentially compare to? Best case? I've seen StroSwift/TyThomas early on but Chriss seems more of a finesse guy, not as powerful an athlete and has a better outside touch. But he's still lacking bball IQ, doesn't have a post game, isn't a true perimeter threat, not a great rebounder, decent shotblocker. I'm usually pretty good with comparisons but this one's got me stumped.

Marvin Williams?

ShelC wrote:Can anyone throw some names out as to whom Chriss could potentially compare to? Best case? I've seen StroSwift/TyThomas early on but Chriss seems more of a finesse guy, not as powerful an athlete and has a better outside touch. But he's still lacking bball IQ, doesn't have a post game, isn't a true perimeter threat, not a great rebounder, decent shotblocker. I'm usually pretty good with comparisons but this one's got me stumped.

Honestly? It sounds like Michael Beasley.

A less talented Markieff Morris

Beasley is a much more gifted scorer than Chriss

Split T wrote:Marvin Williams?

Yep. Was going to say Williams without the defensive IQ. And all around just a way worse player.

Chris sux, but his rebounding really has improve this year. I can't knock him on that anymore.

Chriss has shown a little more rim protection skills than Marvin, but Marvin has turned into a pretty reliable shooter