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Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:34 am
by Ring_Wanted
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:54 am
Just stop with the “roster sure is a problem.” It’s the problem and Igor has to balance player expectations and playing whoever is up without this team chemistry collapsing. It’s the worst coaching job in the entire league right now next to Washington. Everyone is blaming players who are not living up to expectations—amidst a disorganized offense.
The roster is the problem but I can't say Igor is doing a good job with what he has (note that I am talking in relative terms, abstracting from the putrid record and absurd expectations).
You can't be oblivious to the fact that you have a defensive tone setter in Bridges. That's a mistake alike to Hornacek not realizing he had a natural born socrer in Warren during his rookie season. He also had to remove Anderson asap and it took long enough that it became a stain on this young season. Canaan is getting too much time, overall and especially over Okobo.
It just makes no sense to play those guys, you are wasting time. And that's not getting into why he can't get through people's skull to have guys play transition defense, why he doesn't design something to play more through Ayton in the post or why he seems to do nothing but look impotent during other team's runs.
Look, I became a fan of Igor after what he did with Slovenia, and after Budenholzer he was my next choice, but he can do better on a number of fronts.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:59 am
by rhylek
Those things are obvious to everyone. Do you think coach isn't aware of it?
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:17 am
by Cap
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:34 am
You can't be oblivious to the fact that you have a defensive tone setter in Bridges. That's a mistake alike to Hornacek not realizing he had a natural born socrer in Warren during his rookie season. He also had to remove Anderson asap and it took long enough that it became a stain on this young season. Canaan is getting too much time, overall and especially over Okobo.
A “stain”? What the heck does that even mean, and why should anyone care?
And are you seriously angry that Okobo is in Prescott?
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Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
21 11 1 166 5.0 13.2 .377 1.5 5.6 .269 3.5 7.6 .457 2.8 3.0 .929 0.4 3.0 3.5 5.4 0.7 0.2 2.4 5.0 14.3
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G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
11 166 9.1 .491 .426 .230 1.4 9.7 5.5 22.5 0.9 0.5 14.1 20.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.006 -2.4 -3.5 -5.9 -0.2
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That’s not a guy who could use some G League burn?
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:44 am
by LazarusLong
I'd give him a C+.
He's figured out that Chandler and Anderson weren't long-term solutions.
He also is coming around to realizing who his best five are, and playing them regardless of position.
Remember that he went without his best player in preseason, and a majority of the players are new to the team.
And he's dealing with a management team that has had some churn.
I'm inclined to cut him some slack.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:35 am
by Split T
Giving Anderson 7 games to see if he'd snap out of his funk is not an issue. I think Igor responded appropriately. I'm fine with him letting Anderson have a chance to get going. Yes Canaan isn't very good, but he's the best PG we have...other than point book, which I don't think is ideal long term. And Bridges is already starting, 15 games into his rookie season.
So we're 18 games in and the following has already occured:
1. Holmes replaced Chandler in rotation and Chandler was bought out
2. Anderson was benched for Warren
3. Bridges has jumped ahead of Jackson and even moved into the starting lineup when we run point book.
I would like a better PG, but that's not on Igor. He's gotta play who's on the roster. Canaan is the best one right now. I don't think he's much better than Okobo or Melton, but neither of those guys are ready. I think I prefer them getting their feet wet in Prescott and small doses of NBA action rather than being thrown in the fire.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:47 pm
by JCSunsfan
LazarusLong wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:44 am
I'd give him a C+.
He's figured out that Chandler and Anderson weren't long-term solutions.
He also is coming around to realizing who his best five are, and playing them regardless of position.
Remember that he went without his best player in preseason, and a majority of the players are new to the team.
And he's dealing with a management team that has had some churn.
I'm inclined to cut him some slack.
I wonder if he had to "figure out" Chandler and Anderson, or if he had to demonstrate what he already knew to Mgmt.
I think he does fine with the roster he has, even if he has been quite deliberate. It's his in-game rotations that are a bit frustrating, especially his second half runs of second stringers. He seems to run a very deliberate substitution pattern regardless of what is happening in the game.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:57 pm
by LazarusLong
"He seems to run a very deliberate substitution pattern regardless of what is happening in the game."
I noticed that, also.
Needs to stay with the "hot hand" more.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:58 pm
by In2ition
I think he's getting better, and then he makes some bone headed decisions like yesterday where he kills the Suns momentum to put in another terrible lineup to give all the momentum to the Bucks and had to be saved by Crawford's coaching move. The timing of his timeouts is perplexing to me. He won't ever try to stop what's going on when a team starts to make a run with bad defense by the Suns. He will let it play out and it just gets worse and worse.
Also, I still can't understand his love affair with Canaan. He honestly should have been cut instead of Harrison. Harrison never had a chance to play with Bridges and Booker in the preseason, but he didn't like what he saw and cut him for a guy that is unplayable if his shot isn't falling.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:58 pm
by Nodack
The team is definitely improving. They have cut down their turnovers. They are starting to almost play defense. They are scoring more points. They are starting to settle on a rotation. They still have some glaring holes but the bandaids are keeping them from bleeding out.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:27 pm
by Indy
It hasn't turned into enough wins yet, but our offense looks so much better this year than last.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:51 pm
by Cap
Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:27 pm
It hasn't turned into enough wins yet, but our offense looks so much better this year than last.
So does everyone’s. Points per 100 possessions:
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Rk Team PTS
1 Milwaukee Bucks 116.1
2 Golden State Warriors 115.6
3 New Orleans Pelicans 114.5
4 Toronto Raptors 114.3
5 Charlotte Hornets 113.9
6 Los Angeles Clippers 113.7
7 Denver Nuggets 112.7
8 Portland Trail Blazers 112.2
9 Houston Rockets 110.9
10 Brooklyn Nets 110.8
11 Los Angeles Lakers 110.6
12 San Antonio Spurs 110.0
13 Oklahoma City Thunder 109.7
14 Dallas Mavericks 109.4
15 Philadelphia 76ers 109.2
16 Minnesota Timberwolves 109.0
17 Sacramento Kings 108.9
18 Detroit Pistons 108.9
19 Washington Wizards 108.8
20 Indiana Pacers 108.4
21 New York Knicks 108.3
22 Cleveland Cavaliers 107.7
23 Memphis Grizzlies 107.2
24 Orlando Magic 106.8
25 Miami Heat 106.6
26 Utah Jazz 106.2
27 Boston Celtics 106.0
28 Phoenix Suns 104.0
29 Chicago Bulls 101.9
30 Atlanta Hawks 101.4
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Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
by carey
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:27 pm
by The Bobster
Cap wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:51 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:27 pm
It hasn't turned into enough wins yet, but our offense looks so much better this year than last.
So does everyone’s. Points per 100 possessions:
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Rk Team PTS
1 Milwaukee Bucks 116.1
2 Golden State Warriors 115.6
3 New Orleans Pelicans 114.5
4 Toronto Raptors 114.3
5 Charlotte Hornets 113.9
6 Los Angeles Clippers 113.7
7 Denver Nuggets 112.7
8 Portland Trail Blazers 112.2
9 Houston Rockets 110.9
10 Brooklyn Nets 110.8
11 Los Angeles Lakers 110.6
12 San Antonio Spurs 110.0
13 Oklahoma City Thunder 109.7
14 Dallas Mavericks 109.4
15 Philadelphia 76ers 109.2
16 Minnesota Timberwolves 109.0
17 Sacramento Kings 108.9
18 Detroit Pistons 108.9
19 Washington Wizards 108.8
20 Indiana Pacers 108.4
21 New York Knicks 108.3
22 Cleveland Cavaliers 107.7
23 Memphis Grizzlies 107.2
24 Orlando Magic 106.8
25 Miami Heat 106.6
26 Utah Jazz 106.2
27 Boston Celtics 106.0
28 Phoenix Suns 104.0
29 Chicago Bulls 101.9
30 Atlanta Hawks 101.4
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Well, they have rocketed up from 30th last year for both to 28th for both this year!
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 pm
by The Bobster
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
They're the placeholder until Golden State gets healthy.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:41 pm
by carey
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
They're the placeholder until Golden State gets healthy.
Look, Bobster. I'd be shocked if they were no. 2 also so the point is kind of still the same.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:16 am
by TOO
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
Bledsoe can work in an offense like that because Middleton and Freak are both willing passers, so it's not all on Drew to do run it himself.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:55 am
by Superbone
TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:16 am
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
Bledsoe can work in an offense like that because Middleton and Freak are both willing passers, so it's not all on Drew to do run it himself.
Watching the Bucks really bugs me. We let him get what he wants and now he starts for the Bucks. We got nothing.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:53 am
by The Bobster
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:41 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
They're the placeholder until Golden State gets healthy.
Look, Bobster. I'd be shocked if they were no. 2 also so the point is kind of still the same.
It's not like Bledsoe is the linchpin for their offense. We saw firsthand the other night who was.
It's like saying "I cant believe Jon Paxson/Derek Fisher/Avery Johnson was the starting point guard for a championship team."
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:58 am
by Cap
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:53 am
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:41 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
They're the placeholder until Golden State gets healthy.
Look, Bobster. I'd be shocked if they were no. 2 also so the point is kind of still the same.
It's not like Bledsoe is the linchpin for their offense. We saw firsthand the other night who was.
It's like saying "I cant believe Jon Paxson/Derek Fisher/Avery Johnson was the starting point guard for a championship team."
And Mario Chalmers.
Re: Igor Kokoskov Progress Report
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:31 am
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:55 am
TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:16 am
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:32 pm
We just took down the #1 offense? Also, Bledsoe is the PG for a #1 offense?!
Bledsoe can work in an offense like that because Middleton and Freak are both willing passers, so it's not all on Drew to do run it himself.
Watching the Bucks really bugs me. We let him get what he wants and now he starts for the Bucks. We got nothing.
What I learned is that I’m happy Bledsoe is gone. Did he ever put in that much effort on defense while playing for us? I don’t remember it. He’s good when he’s a third wheel on offense, playing next to multiple ball handlers and facilitators, and when he’s playing with effort on defense. None of those things were true here.