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Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:25 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:24 pm
So we have to be giving up another player also for salaries to work! Who is it?
I don’t think so. Anderson is 21 million. Johnson plus Ellington is 24-25 million. That’s close enough
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:26 pm
by Wormwood
I'm not seeing Ellington in any of the ESPN reporting.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:26 pm
by Split T
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm
by Wormwood
Also, Ellington is worse than Daniels, Bridges, and Booker. Miami is dumping salary on us, and we're apparently taking it because?
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm
by Split T
Wormwood wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:26 pm
I'm not seeing Ellington in any of the ESPN reporting.
No, but Shams and Gambo are reporting it
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:28 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:25 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:24 pm
So we have to be giving up another player also for salaries to work! Who is it?
I don’t think so. Anderson is 21 million. Johnson plus Ellington is 24-25 million. That’s close enough
You're right. I was thinking Anderson's salary was less than that (probably because of him reducing it for next season). ESPN trade machine says it works.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:29 pm
by Split T
Wormwood wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm
Also, Ellington is pretty bad as well. Miami is dumping salary on us, and we're apparently taking it because?
Ellington is expiring and we just dumped Ryan Anderson on them. Johnson isn’t anything special, but he can at least play basketball. We’re paying Ryan Anderson 20 million to have courtside seats.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:30 pm
by specialsauce
It’s a bleh move. I’d rather have Tyler Johnson than Ryan Anderson. But Tyler Johnson is not going to excite me AT ALL. There goes any chance we had left of acquiring Jrue Holiday, Conley, Teague, or any other player with a remotely high salary.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:31 pm
by Mori Chu
I haven't really watched Tyler Johnson much, so I don't know what to think. Did James Jones play with Johnson in his later years in Miami? Is this another case where the GM wants to get players he liked from his days as a coach or player?
Also, doesn't this hurt our cap this offseason? I thought Ryan Anderson had a contract where most of his salary next year could be cut or bought out. Now we're on the hook to pay Tyler Johnson $20m? How can he possibly be worth that? I can't help but wonder what else we could have done with that money and cap space.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:31 pm
by specialsauce
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:07 pm
What player would you say he is a poor’s man version?
Mike James.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:32 pm
by JeremyG
ESPN trade machine says that Ellington has to sign off on any trade.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:37 pm
by Shabazz
Ellington for Jonah Bolden?
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:37 pm
by Drewsprocket
Ellington is a free agent this summer. It’s fine. The TJ is an upgrade with higher upside playing in PHX.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:37 pm
by Split T
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:31 pm
I haven't really watched Tyler Johnson much, so I don't know what to think. Did James Jones play with Johnson in his later years in Miami? Is this another case where the GM wants to get players he liked from his days as a coach or player?
Also, doesn't this hurt our cap this offseason? I thought Ryan Anderson had a contract where most of his salary next year could be cut or bought out. Now we're on the hook to pay Tyler Johnson $20m? How can he possibly be worth that? I can't help but wonder what else we could have done with that money and cap space.
We could have waived Anderson and paid him only 15.6 million. Johnson has a 19.2 million player option. So we added 3.6 million in salary next year with this deal.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:37 pm
by Shabazz
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:31 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:07 pm
What player would you say he is a poor’s man version?
Mike James.
He's much better than Mike James. He's a pretty good player. Just not worth anywhere near $19M (which wasn't his average salary on the contract - it just spiked to that).
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:38 pm
by JeremyG
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:31 pm
I haven't really watched Tyler Johnson much, so I don't know what to think. Did James Jones play with Johnson in his later years in Miami? Is this another case where the GM wants to get players he liked from his days as a coach or player?
Johnson came in the season after Jones left Miami.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:38 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:32 pm
ESPN trade machine says that Ellington has to sign off on any trade.
True, I’m sure we’re either moving him somewhere else or agreeing to waive him so he can pick his next place.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:39 pm
by Split T
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:30 pm
It’s a bleh move. I’d rather have Tyler Johnson than Ryan Anderson. But Tyler Johnson is not going to excite me AT ALL. There goes any chance we had left of acquiring Jrue Holiday, Conley, Teague, or any other player with a remotely high salary.
There was already 0 chance of those other trades happening
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:43 pm
by INFORMER
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
ALL WE GAVE UP WAS RYAN ANDERSON. We don’t lose cap space because Ryan Anderson was taking that up anyways.
That is not accurate. Tyler Johnson has more guaranteed money owed to him for the 2019-20 than Anderson. So this does eat into the Suns potential cap space.
Also,Tyler Johnson isn't a point guard. The Heat play him there in tandem with Wade, who handles the ball a lot.
We're taking on a little more salary without any real benefit. This is a move we should have passed on unless we have something lined up to get some value out of Ellington.
Re: Suns Trade for Tyler Johnson/Wayne Ellington
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:44 pm
by In2ition
I don't mind this trade. I don't know what they plan on doing with Ellington, but it could be for another trade, buy him out, or even use him as the sg while Booker keeps mending. His salary could be used in a trade for someone making around the same, and they need some shooting.
As for Johnson, he's a serviceable player, and the nice thing is that he is actually a piece worth some trade value most likely next year or in a separate deal this year. We'll see what happens, but I do not think anything else gets done this year.