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Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:16 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:11 am
wpmiller42 wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 am
Anyone who thinks Smart should be DPOY over Bridges literally does not watch enough games.
Have you watched Smart play? I’d love to be able to say this, but I’ve honestly barely watched Smart play this year. 90% of the basketball I watched this year was Suns games.
Yeah, but we just know. :P

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:17 am
by Indy
There are plenty of people that watch a LOT of basketball, including people high on the Suns, that think Smart should win it.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:20 am
by Superbone
Indy wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:17 am
There are plenty of people that watch a LOT of basketball, including people high on the Suns, that think Smart should win it.
Maybe they aren't as Smart as they think they are. Ever think about that?! Huh?!

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:22 am
by Split T
Ya the feeling I get is they play similar roles for both teams defensively, but smart is a little more versatile in that he is a stronger player. He can legitimately body 5s and hold his own. Boston also had a better defense than us, so can’t use that argument. He’s also the only other DPOY candidate that’s minutes weren’t dwarfed by Mikal…though he’s still 500 behind him.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
by wpmiller42
Split T wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:11 am
wpmiller42 wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 am
Anyone who thinks Smart should be DPOY over Bridges literally does not watch enough games.
Have you watched Smart play? I’d love to be able to say this, but I’ve honestly barely watched Smart play this year. 90% of the basketball I watched this year was Suns games.
I feel like I've watched a lot of Celtics games this year, and I'm not saying that Smart isn't a really good defensive player. I think he's a great defensive player who is very good at pressuring the ball and keeping his man disengaged from the offense. But he's no where near as disruptive as Mikal. I don't think Smart is nearly the help defender that Mikal is. I feel like Mikal is everywhere on the defensive end, whereas Smart is really good at taking his man out of the offensive side of things for the most part, but isn't going to get you much weak side help, like Mikal does, or play the passing lanes, like Mikal does.

Smart is a great defender, I just think Mikal is better because he's more impactful on that side of the ball.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:10 am
by In2ition
wpmiller42 wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 am
Split T wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:11 am
wpmiller42 wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 am
Anyone who thinks Smart should be DPOY over Bridges literally does not watch enough games.
Have you watched Smart play? I’d love to be able to say this, but I’ve honestly barely watched Smart play this year. 90% of the basketball I watched this year was Suns games.
I feel like I've watched a lot of Celtics games this year, and I'm not saying that Smart isn't a really good defensive player. I think he's a great defensive player who is very good at pressuring the ball and keeping his man disengaged from the offense. But he's no where near as disruptive as Mikal. I don't think Smart is nearly the help defender that Mikal is. I feel like Mikal is everywhere on the defensive end, whereas Smart is really good at taking his man out of the offensive side of things for the most part, but isn't going to get you much weak side help, like Mikal does, or play the passing lanes, like Mikal does.

Smart is a great defender, I just think Mikal is better because he's more impactful on that side of the ball.
Smart is a very good defender, but where his value is diminished is that the Celtics have 3 other really good individual defenders in The Timelord, Tatum and Jaylen Brown. IMO, without Williams, their defense is going to be impacted, and specifically it's going to impact Smart's defense the most, as Smart counts on that backend help of Williams to erase mistakes when he is over aggressive or gambles when he shouldn't.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:27 am
by Split T
The suns other defenders may not be quite as good, but I think Crowder, Ayton, Paul, and Booker are all fantastic too.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:31 am
by Shabazz
wpmiller42 wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:51 am
Anyone who thinks Smart should be DPOY over Bridges literally does not watch enough games.
Yeah. Not sure it’s that much of a no-brainer. Smart’s pretty incredible on that end and Boston had a better D rating than us.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:51 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:22 am
Ya the feeling I get is they play similar roles for both teams defensively, but smart is a little more versatile in that he is a stronger player. He can legitimately body 5s and hold his own. Boston also had a better defense than us, so can’t use that argument. He’s also the only other DPOY candidate that’s minutes weren’t dwarfed by Mikal…though he’s still 500 behind him.
Smart is a much more physical defender, I'll give him that. Bridges tries to defend without fouling/touching the offensive player while Smart bodies him up. But it doesn't seem like referees will give any Suns player equal treatment in that regard. Smart is allowed to get away with it while Mikal probably can't. The foul call discrepancies for us are getting ridiculous. I really don't think we foul significantly more than our opponents like the refs seem to think.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:11 pm
by Indy
Superbone wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:51 am
Split T wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:22 am
Ya the feeling I get is they play similar roles for both teams defensively, but smart is a little more versatile in that he is a stronger player. He can legitimately body 5s and hold his own. Boston also had a better defense than us, so can’t use that argument. He’s also the only other DPOY candidate that’s minutes weren’t dwarfed by Mikal…though he’s still 500 behind him.
Smart is a much more physical defender, I'll give him that. Bridges tries to defend without fouling/touching the offensive player while Smart bodies him up. But it doesn't seem like referees will give any Suns player equal treatment in that regard. Smart is allowed to get away with it while Mikal probably can't. The foul call discrepancies for us are getting ridiculous. I really don't think we foul significantly more than our opponents like the refs seem to think.
I know it doesn't feel this way to me when I watch, but for the season, the difference in fouls called on us vs our opponents is -1.0 (we get called for 19.9 PFs/game and our opponents gets called for 18.9 PFs/game).

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:23 pm
by bajanguy008
😂🤣


Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:28 pm
by bajanguy008

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:32 pm
by Flagrant Fowl

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:07 am
by Mori Chu
Wow, that Luka injury. On the last game of the season, too. It may end up helping the Suns, but you never root/cheer for a guy to get hurt. That may be a big enough blow to the Mavs that we end up facing the Jazz in the 2nd round. I was actually going to "zag" and pick the Jazz to win that series anyway, but now I'm picking them for sure.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:12 am
by bajanguy008

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:21 am
by bajanguy008
Would not have gotten this trivia question right


Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:40 am
by bajanguy008

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:27 am
by Mori Chu
LeBron James would be 'very enthused' at the possibility of the Lakers hiring Mark Jackson as head coach, per @sam_amick

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:54 am
by Shabazz
There are some Twitter threads going around that detail what a disaster Mark Jackson is. Suffice it to say, he’d be a great hire for the Lakers.

Re: Around the League: Week 26 (4/11 - 4/17)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:58 am
by Cap
Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:07 am
you never root/cheer for a guy to get hurt.
I have to admit, I cheered when Jokic decked Markieff.