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Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:54 pm

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:33 pm

Shams is standing on business

...what?

Means not backing down.

Heat- KCP, Gary Harris(team option next szn), Cole Anthony


Magic- Beal

Suns- Jimmy Butler

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:54 pm

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:33 pm

Shams is standing on business

...what?

You heard the man.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:55 pm

It wasn't until I got to "his lying ass" that I realized it was the parody account.

After sleeping on it I do think there’s smoke to this. Jimmy does have a lot of leverage because he can opt out of his contract. I know they are implying he will opt out no matter what, which instantly tanks what teams would be willing to give up, but I’m sure he’d be willing to opt in for another year if he goes to a team he truly wants, enter the Suns.

The Suns aspect was probably not to leak but the move would make a lot of basketball sense, help Ishbia’s tax bill long term too. The only part that doesn’t quite add up is the Beal aspect, if he’d wave his ntc or if he’d be willing to go to a 3rd team, like the Magic? I’m sure the Heat don’t want to lose Jimmy for nothing so I can see them just trading for Beal straight up.

I don’t think this happens but if it does happen, it would happen sooner than later. Like if this deal is possible, I don’t think we wait until the deadline to mak, we’d probably try to get it done by January.

We desperately need a HIMMY

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

I believe this is true but I also think a team like Orlando makes sense.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:32 am

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

I believe this is true but I also think a team like Orlando makes sense.

I don't know where Beal fits with Banchero and Franz, but I'd probably take anything to get off the Beal deal.

I could also see that it was already discussed through back channels and Beal said no or maybe it was so early that they hadn’t even brought to Beal yet. Both scenarios could cause Jimmy’s agent to get pissed about it leaking lol

Jimmy reaches out to KD who tells his agent Kleiman to leak it.

TOO wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:39 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:32 am

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

I believe this is true but I also think a team like Orlando makes sense.

I don't know where Beal fits with Banchero and Franz, but I'd probably take anything to get off the Beal deal.

I think he fits with those two but both are out right now and seems Franz will be out for minute. I could see them feeling they need some extra offensive punch for until Franz comes back. Paolo I think comes back later this month.

The deal with Miami straight up might make the most sense, apparently Bam and Beal are best friends.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:50 am

Jimmy reaches out to KD who tells his agent Kleiman to leak it.

There is definitely some Fuckery going on.

I think a lot of teams are wising up to the "trade young players and picks for max vets" strategy. Especially those teams that are winning and have a JYD identity. A team like the Heat is different bc they're always in win-now mode and looking for vets/names. But I'd still be surprised if they take on Beal because it'd mean they're giving up on Giannis who still may become available this year or next.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:51 am

TOO wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:39 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:32 am

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

I believe this is true but I also think a team like Orlando makes sense.

I don't know where Beal fits with Banchero and Franz, but I'd probably take anything to get off the Beal deal.

I think he fits with those two but both are out right now and seems Franz will be out for minute. I could see them feeling they need some extra offensive punch for until Franz comes back. Paolo I think comes back later this month.

The deal with Miami straight up might make the most sense, apparently Bam and Beal are best friends.

Then trade Booker for Bam. Yeah I said it.

TOO wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:03 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:51 am

TOO wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:39 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:32 am

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

I believe this is true but I also think a team like Orlando makes sense.

I don't know where Beal fits with Banchero and Franz, but I'd probably take anything to get off the Beal deal.

I think he fits with those two but both are out right now and seems Franz will be out for minute. I could see them feeling they need some extra offensive punch for until Franz comes back. Paolo I think comes back later this month.

The deal with Miami straight up might make the most sense, apparently Bam and Beal are best friends.

Then trade Booker for Bam. Yeah I said it.

I’m reporting your account was hacked

BigLewy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:27 am

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:23 am

Because of tax apron rules I think it's impossible to trade Beal to Miami. Miami and Phoenix basically can't trade with another unless the salaries are exactly the same.

I read there is a loophole for veteran min salaries, so in theory, Butler and Josh Richardson for Beal is legal. Or so I think based on some online "experts".

Here’s Keith Smith explaining it:

We’re starting with the Phoenix Suns idea, because it’s the freshest rumor and simultaneously the most complex and the most simple one to tackle. Phoenix trading for Jimmy Butler is tricky because the Suns are so far over the second apron that they can’t even see it anymore ($31.5 million over). That means, Phoenix can’t take back more salary than they send out (kind of…we’ll get there momentarily!) and Phoenix also can’t aggregate salaries in a trade either.

That means any trade that sends Butler to the Suns has to send Bradley Beal, Devin Booker or Kevin Durant back to Miami. There’s simply no other way to make a deal work.

The Suns can’t aggregate salaries in trades, so they have to send one of Beal, Booker or Durant to the Heat. However, each player in that trio makes more money than Butler does. Because the Heat are already over the first apron, they can’t take back even one dollar more than what Butler makes in a straight-up deal. The Suns also can’t take back more salary than they send out, so taking back even a minimum-salary player makes this difficult to work.

So, we’re dead in the water, right? Not so fast, my friend!

In NBA trades, each side is allowed to structure a deal in the way that is most beneficial for them. This can be to create a trade exception, or sometimes simply to make a deal legal. It’s that last part where the Suns and Heat could push a trade through.

Proposed trade:

Miami Heat acquire Bradley Beal
Phoenix Suns acquire Jimmy Butler, Josh Richardson
Here’s how it looks in our handy NBA Trade Machine on Spotrac:



Here’s how it works:

Butler and Richardson combined make less than Beal, so Miami is clear there.

Miami would trigger a second-apron hard cap, because they have aggregated players in this deal. The Heat would be roughly $3.3 million under the second apron following the trade. Thankfully, that’s more than enough room to fill out their roster to the required 14 players on standard contracts.

Phoenix isn’t aggregating in this deal, so there are no concerns there.

The Suns get around the restriction of taking back more salary than they sent out by breaking this up into two trades on their side.

Butler is acquired for Beal. Butler makes less than Beal, so no issue there.

Richardson is acquired via the Minimum Exception (which allows for any player signed via the Minimum Exception to be acquired in a trade).
(Note: This trade also works with Alec Burks or Thomas Bryant in place of Richardson, but that leaves the Heat with less space under the second apron to fill out their roster post-trade.)

Now, it’s important to note that Bradley Beal has a no-trade clause. Yes, he was reportedly interested in playing in Miami in the past, but that was with Jimmy Butler, not in replace of him. Maybe Beal would be fine with heading back east, but his no-trade clause complicates things quite a bit. He can scuttle any deal if it doesn’t work for him. Basically: Beal has control here, not the teams.

And, yes, this trade would work if you substituted Kevin Durant or Devin Booker for Beal, but it’s unlikely that the Suns would go in that direction.

One last thing: The Suns (or any team acquiring Butler) could extend Butler after this deal. He’d have to decline his player option for next season, and he’d be limited in years and dollars. Neither of those seem like major stumbling blocks, as longer deals would see Butler bumping up against the Over-38 rule and he’s already on a near-max salary as it is.

Do it! Beal wasn't the fit that we hoped for.