What should the Suns do?

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What should this Suns team do?

Stand pat with the team we have
2
7%
Push for Jimmy Butler / Beal trade but otherwise no major moves this season
2
7%
Butler / Beal trade plus other big moves e.g. trade Nurk or Grayson Allen
12
40%
Minor retooling (e.g. trade KD for youngs/picks but otherwise keep the team intact)
0
No votes
Major rebuild / blow it up (e.g. trade KD, Book, anybody we can get youngs and picks for; give up on contention for a few years)
12
40%
None of the above
2
7%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: What should the Suns do?

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:27 pm
Split T wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:52 am
Trade for Butler, trade Nurk for the best 5 you can get. Blow it up in 2026.
This. Except change 2026 to summer 2025, if we still go nowhere.
I’m fine with that if it is a disaster this year…I think you need to give it a chance though. Not sure half a season is enough

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Re: What should the Suns do?

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Honestly, this was exactly what I was afraid of in the aftermath of the Durant trade. We're stuck, we can't even tank, Houston now has bent over a barrel. What I would do is to send Houston Durant for as many assets as we can get back, send out Beal for whatever we can get even if we lose an asset in the process, and re-build around Booker, Dunn, and Oso.

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No one has the Suns "bent over a barrel". We have KD who's a minimum 2nd team All-NBA player right now and an in-prime Devin Booker.

Neither of them are going anywhere this season and probably not for even longer, so maybe take a breath or three.
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virtual9mm wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:03 am
Honestly, this was exactly what I was afraid of in the aftermath of the Durant trade. We're stuck, we can't even tank, Houston now has bent over a barrel. What I would do is to send Houston Durant for as many assets as we can get back, send out Beal for whatever we can get even if we lose an asset in the process, and re-build around Booker, Dunn, and Oso.
If you're really rebuilding, you do a Larry Nance and trade your most valuable asset - which is Booker - and whatever else you can to stockpile prospects and picks. That would include trading Durant and trying to find a taker for Beal.

Your other option is to plug along until 2027, trying to stay competitive until then, and then clean house when Nurkic, Beal and Durant are off the books. Booker would be 31 by that point, so I would consider moving him too.

I don't see a quick fix trade in the near future - this team has too many holes to fill for that. They need a couple of quality big men and they need to fix the team defense, plus Jones is likely gone after this season so they still need a point guard for the future.
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Agree there's no one fix. I don't think Houston is that hot for KD. Book, maybe. But I'm more incline to keep KD with the only issue being his extension.

I also don't think Beal is going anywhere unless something pops up with Miami or maybe the Lakers but they may have better options down the road (Fox). Either way I don't think there's any real interest there.

The best way to salvage this situation would be to move Beal to the bench and start Dunn. I don't think it's realistic but if Beal were to buy into a 6th man role and reduction in minutes, it'd be a huge improvement with the starters and bench. But it's gotta be a true bench role with no promises about playing with the starters or finishing games. If we could get a fully engaged Beal to lead the bench unit, we might actually be dangerous for 48 minutes.

Move Allen for a bigger swing/PF and attach the 31st to Nurk to get him off the roster.

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ShelC wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:38 pm
Agree there's no one fix. I don't think Houston is that hot for KD. Book, maybe. But I'm more incline to keep KD with the only issue being his extension.

I also don't think Beal is going anywhere unless something pops up with Miami or maybe the Lakers but they may have better options down the road (Fox). Either way I don't think there's any real interest there.

The best way to salvage this situation would be to move Beal to the bench and start Dunn. I don't think it's realistic but if Beal were to buy into a 6th man role and reduction in minutes, it'd be a huge improvement with the starters and bench. But it's gotta be a true bench role with no promises about playing with the starters or finishing games. If we could get a fully engaged Beal to lead the bench unit, we might actually be dangerous for 48 minutes.

Move Allen for a bigger swing/PF and attach the 31st to Nurk to get him off the roster.
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Our picks are never going to be top picks. Not with how Ishbia spends: we'll always have talent on the bench even if we're mediocre like the colangelo days.these picks will be middle lottery at best. Yall stuck on them like a baby on their mothers nipple....it's time to let go it'll be ok

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ShelC wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:38 pm
Agree there's no one fix. I don't think Houston is that hot for KD. Book, maybe. But I'm more incline to keep KD with the only issue being his extension.

I also don't think Beal is going anywhere unless something pops up with Miami or maybe the Lakers but they may have better options down the road (Fox). Either way I don't think there's any real interest there.

The best way to salvage this situation would be to move Beal to the bench and start Dunn. I don't think it's realistic but if Beal were to buy into a 6th man role and reduction in minutes, it'd be a huge improvement with the starters and bench. But it's gotta be a true bench role with no promises about playing with the starters or finishing games. If we could get a fully engaged Beal to lead the bench unit, we might actually be dangerous for 48 minutes.

Move Allen for a bigger swing/PF and attach the 31st to Nurk to get him off the roster.
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ShelC wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:38 pm
Agree there's no one fix. I don't think Houston is that hot for KD. Book, maybe. But I'm more incline to keep KD with the only issue being his extension.
I think Houston -is- hot for KD, for exactly the reason we were. They're 3rd in the West, and being a true contender is suddenly not such a crazy idea. KD could really put them over the top in the right trade. I bet they would give up a young player and 2-3 1sts for KD, which is a pretty good haul that we'd have to consider.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:48 am
ShelC wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:38 pm
Agree there's no one fix. I don't think Houston is that hot for KD. Book, maybe. But I'm more incline to keep KD with the only issue being his extension.
I think Houston -is- hot for KD, for exactly the reason we were. They're 3rd in the West, and being a true contender is suddenly not such a crazy idea. KD could really put them over the top in the right trade. I bet they would give up a young player and 2-3 1sts for KD, which is a pretty good haul that we'd have to consider.
I think the Suns would have to do it if offered.

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I'd definitely take that deal. I just think teams may now be reluctant to give up young players and picks for stars that mortgage their future. Didn't work for the Nets, hasn't worked for us, didn't work for the Knicks with Melo. Trading for KD now limits their window to 2 years max, which is a big leap for a team that's suddenly good. Maybe Ime pushes for a deal since he has a history with KD. They'd have to give up something like Adams, Amen, Jabari and Reed plus picks just to make salaries work. I wouldn't have any interest in Green or Brooks.

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We’d have to take Brooks

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Never in a million years would I root for a team with Dillon Brooks on it.
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Well if we trade with Houston, I can just about guarantee Brooks would be part of it…possibly a 3rd team could take him, but he’s the obvious salary to help facilitate the trade.

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There are a bunch of combos that work if fanspo is correct. Adams, Sheppard, Amen and Jabari work. You could replace Sheppard with Tari and Jeff Green but I think the Rockets would prefer to keep one of Tari and Amen. You could also do Adams, Tari, Jabari, Tate and and Jeff Green.

I wouldn't be opposed to Brooks but I also think the Rockets would want to keep him as a win-now, veteran irritant.

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I’m sure it’s technically possible…but 4 for 1 isn’t ideal for anyone. I think Houston would much rather send Brooks than 3 of their young prospects.

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OK, I've been gone for a couple of weeks, but daaaaang. Trading KD is a "minor retooling" now? Y'all are doing some major tweeking.

Honestly, this team would be very good if healthy, and would really only need better size to be a true contender. We are 14-3 with both Book and KD on the court.

What we are seeing here is not different from what we should have expected. We need better balance in our role players, and should be actively looking to trade Allen, Okogie, and Nurk for bigs. When KD or Booker is out, we struggle. Gotta do everything we can to make sure the stars are healthy come playoff time.

The Suns brass need to have an honest conversation with themselves about team health going forward. Can you build a championship team around a bunch of guys who only play 60-65 games each? I don't think you can. I would personally blow it up this summer, sending out Book, KD, and anyone else I could get assets for.
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O_Gardino wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:16 pm
OK, I've been gone for a couple of weeks, but daaaaang. Trading KD is a "minor retooling" now? Y'all are doing some major tweeking.

Honestly, this team would be very good if healthy, and would really only need better size to be a true contender. We are 14-3 with both Book and KD on the court.

What we are seeing here is not different from what we should have expected. We need better balance in our role players, and should be actively looking to trade Allen, Okogie, and Nurk for bigs. When KD or Booker is out, we struggle. Gotta do everything we can to make sure the stars are healthy come playoff time.

The Suns brass need to have an honest conversation with themselves about team health going forward. Can you build a championship team around a bunch of guys who only play 60-65 games each? I don't think you can. I would personally blow it up this summer, sending out Book, KD, and anyone else I could get assets for.
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TOO wrote:
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Never in a million years would I root for a team with Dillon Brooks on it.
Dillon Brooks can go sit on a cactus as far as I'm concerned, but, if he arrives along with 2-3 1st round picks and cap relief, he can come on over. Start the rebuilding process. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:07 pm
TOO wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:30 am
Never in a million years would I root for a team with Dillon Brooks on it.
Dillon Brooks can go sit on a cactus as far as I'm concerned, but, if he arrives along with 2-3 1st round picks and cap relief, he can come on over. Start the rebuilding process. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Id rather eat the cactus that Dillon Brooks sat on than watch him play for the Suns.
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