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Re: What do we do after Beal is gone?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:09 pm
by Charlie Smithy!
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:33 pm
My bad guys…this was a fail…I also realize I meant it to be what you expect to happen, not what you would do, but I wasn’t clear…feel free to move along haha
No worries!!
But also, for my chronic pain addled-brain today, do you mind editing each of the responses for brevity and/or clarity? Then, and only then, will I be able to give you the honest response that you deserve!!
Re: What do we do after Beal is gone?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:21 pm
by Split T
Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:09 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:33 pm
My bad guys…this was a fail…I also realize I meant it to be what you expect to happen, not what you would do, but I wasn’t clear…feel free to move along haha
No worries!!
But also, for my chronic pain addled-brain today, do you mind editing each of the responses for brevity and/or clarity? Then, and only then, will I be able to give you the honest response that you deserve!!
Poll updated and all votes reset…feel free to vote again or don’t, it doesn’t matter haha
Re: What do we do after Beal is gone?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:31 pm
by JeremyG
TOO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 3:47 pm
They aren't gonna trade it, nobody wants it, they have to stretch it. And I believe getting rid of him via stretch gets the team out of both aprons, I could be wrong. It's the simplest way forward. Would it be better just to let him expire? In financial terms yes, of you want to just call your roster as is, you sit him and deal with the players association killing you for doing so, not great for a team looking to big FA hunting in a couple of years. Its better to stretch him to get his stink off the roster and it allows you to make a lot more moves once you're under both aprons.
We can’t go big FA hunting in a couple of years if we have a $19M cap hit.
The simplest option is to buy him out, waive him, and not stretch the contract.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:15 pm
by Superbone
This still hasn't happened? Gambo was off on the timing. He said (from Italy) that it would happen by now.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:15 pm
by JeremyG
He’s got 9 more hours:
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:43 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:15 pm
He’s got 9 more hours:
Not likely to happen overnight.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:19 am
by wpmiller42
Maybe I'm just being naively optimistic, but I'm hoping the delay in getting Beal waived is because maybe there's something other than a buyout coming. Maybe there's some sort of trade possibility out there? I still think the waive and stretch is short-sighted... we don't have a Myles Turner signing waiting in the wings. Unless you've got a move lined up, where's the rush to get rid of a guy, who, at worst, you can still bring off the bench and get 20 a night out of?
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:22 am
by Split T
wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:19 am
Maybe I'm just being naively optimistic, but I'm hoping the delay in getting Beal waived is because maybe there's something other than a buyout coming. Maybe there's some sort of trade possibility out there? I still think the waive and stretch is short-sighted... we don't have a Myles Turner signing waiting in the wings. Unless you've got a move lined up, where's the rush to get rid of a guy, who, at worst, you can still bring off the bench and get 20 a night out of?
Well how would you feel about a S&T for Kuminga?
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:37 am
by Mori Chu
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:22 am
wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:19 am
Maybe I'm just being naively optimistic, but I'm hoping the delay in getting Beal waived is because maybe there's something other than a buyout coming. Maybe there's some sort of trade possibility out there? I still think the waive and stretch is short-sighted... we don't have a Myles Turner signing waiting in the wings. Unless you've got a move lined up, where's the rush to get rid of a guy, who, at worst, you can still bring off the bench and get 20 a night out of?
Well how would you feel about a S&T for Kuminga?
In order for that trade to work cap/salary-wise, wouldn't Kuminga need to be signed to a max or near-max amount? I don't hate Kuminga but I really wouldn't want to have him at that high of a salary.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:41 am
by Split T
Sorry I meant after we waive and stretch Beal. It would be Grayson or Royce for Kuminga
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:02 am
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:41 am
Sorry I meant after we waive and stretch Beal. It would be Grayson or Royce for Kuminga
Kuminga is just a dusty Andrew Wiggins in a newer package, but I could sell myself on having Green and Kumbucket flying through the lane trying to dunk on people. Way better than watching dudes heave 3s and shoot 18 foot jumpers.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:03 am
by ShelC
If we free up the MLE or whatever, I wonder if CP or Westbrook are in the mix. No real news or movement from them just yet.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:27 am
by Mori Chu
A starting lineup containing all of Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, and Jonathan Kuminga might be one of the lowest BBIQ lineups in the league.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:29 am
by wpmiller42
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:22 am
wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:19 am
Maybe I'm just being naively optimistic, but I'm hoping the delay in getting Beal waived is because maybe there's something other than a buyout coming. Maybe there's some sort of trade possibility out there? I still think the waive and stretch is short-sighted... we don't have a Myles Turner signing waiting in the wings. Unless you've got a move lined up, where's the rush to get rid of a guy, who, at worst, you can still bring off the bench and get 20 a night out of?
Well how would you feel about a S&T for Kuminga?
I would definitely be fine with that, provided that we don't overpay for Kuminga. We don't need to cave into his demands or Golden State's. We can do the bare minimum to make it work.
I just get the sense that right now we don't have a plan other than, "more flexibility". I also don't know if there's a deadline on waiving Beal? If we don't have a Kuminga deal lined up (or something else), there's no reason not to just hang on to Brad until something favorable does pop up.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:46 am
by The Bobster
What about Allen & Richards for Kuminga? It would allow Golden State to re-sign Kuminga at about $22 million for the first year to make a sign & trade deal work.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:54 am
by ShelC
Do we really WANT Kuminga tho or are we just trading for a guy because he's available? I'd rather hold onto Royce and Allen than trade them for Kuminga to be honest.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:11 am
by Carno
wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:19 am
Maybe I'm just being naively optimistic, but I'm hoping the delay in getting Beal waived is because maybe there's something other than a buyout coming.
Been wondering the same. Bron for Beal?
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:12 am
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:43 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:15 pm
He’s got 9 more hours:
Not likely to happen overnight.
Maybe 24-48 hours meant 1 to 2 days, meaning Monday or Tuesday?
I’ll give him until the end of the day before saying he was actually wrong.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:15 am
by JeremyG
A trade would be nice but who is going to trade for him now that they know we’re willing to buy him out and they can just sign him for cheap? Perhaps if he didn’t have a no-trade clause, but with the NTC he gets to choose his new team either way.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:54 am
by Split T
The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:46 am
What about Allen & Richards for Kuminga? It would allow Golden State to re-sign Kuminga at about $22 million for the first year to make a sign & trade deal work.
Well if we waive and stretch Beal at the assumed amount(he gives up 14m), then we don’t even have to include Richards. We can take back more salary at that point, up to the 1st apron. So we’d have about 6ish million we could add onto Grayson.
