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Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:32 pm
by pickle
Either way having the second pick probably takes the pressure off of the front office. Plus in the history of the team, have we ever had a #1 pick?
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:15 am
by Superbone
pickle wrote:Either way having the second pick probably takes the pressure off of the front office. Plus in the history of the team, have we ever had a #1 pick?
NO!
The Cavs make me sick!
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:32 pm
by Shabazz
Indy wrote:What made you switch sides?
A few things. Among them:
- Ingram's strengths allow him to play with any lineup, while it seems like you need a specific type of team built around Simmon's.
- Ingram's weaknesses (size, strength) seem more easily correctable than Simmon's (can't shoot).
- All the weird reports surrounding Simmons this year and the people questioning his work ethic/alpha dog-ness.
- Ingram is a full year younger.
- Rich Paul
Even with all that, I'm still not sure. Simmons has some special talents.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:34 pm
by Indy
As much as I dislike Rich Paul, he sure seems to do well for his clients. Why would you not hire the guy if you needed an agent?
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:34 pm
by Indy
And thanks for the details, 'Bazz.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:27 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
How do you correct size?
Maybe there is hope for Knight after all...
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:32 am
by Ring_Wanted
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:How do you correct size?
Maybe there is hope for Knight after all...
Hahah. But seriously. Add muscle. Switch to the position that allows you to get advantage of what you have. Height and reach won't change but Ingrams' problem is that he looks like a stick, and you won't last like that in the NBA (see Austin Daye, Zarko and many others) unless you are ungodly talented like Durant (who despite being skinny is a crazy specimen on his own anyways).
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:45 am
by carey
Indy wrote:As much as I dislike Rich Paul, he sure seems to do well for his clients. Why would you not hire the guy if you needed an agent?
In this instance I'm curious why you'd hire him for your rookie deal. For Simmons it is a no-brainer that he's going top 2. I would think you'd want an agent that is experienced in the draft process. I guess I'm not sure what Paul can offer a guy about to be drafted. Also, have we seen any Eric Bledsoe tv commercials?
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:18 am
by carey
https://twitter.com/DaveKingNBA/status/730746823581798400
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:06 am
by Cap
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:How do you correct size?
Seems unlikely. Robert Sarver is too cheap to hire Hank Pym.
carey wrote:Also, have we seen any Eric Bledsoe tv commercials?
No, nor should we expect to, no matter who's his agent. He's an uncharismatic, mediocre player on a bad small-market team. Why would sponsors be interested?
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:30 am
by Indy
carey wrote:Indy wrote:As much as I dislike Rich Paul, he sure seems to do well for his clients. Why would you not hire the guy if you needed an agent?
In this instance I'm curious why you'd hire him for your rookie deal. For Simmons it is a no-brainer that he's going top 2. I would think you'd want an agent that is experienced in the draft process. I guess I'm not sure what Paul can offer a guy about to be drafted. Also, have we seen any Eric Bledsoe tv commercials?
I am not sure the agent makes a huge difference for a top 2-3 pick, but it doesn't cost him any more or less to go with Klutch, right? I thought agent cuts were pretty standard. If you see a guy getting near max-deals for mediocre guys coming off rookie deals, you probably want that guy lobbying for you well before your free agency.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:24 pm
by Ring_Wanted
LeBron's friend is the new David Falk. Just come to terms with it.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:28 pm
by ShelC
Doubt it. I think once LBJ is out of the league, his client list will fizzle out.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:52 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
ShelC wrote:Doubt it. I think once LBJ is out of the league, his client list will fizzle out.
I would say sooner than that. Vince Carter, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant just to throw some names, were power brokers in their hey days, making franchises besides their own, to kneel down to them. But even Bryant had to eventually come to terms with this power dissapearing long before retirement. LBJ could be another Kobe, as long as he stays in Cleveland, but Paul will be just "another agent" in about 3 years, unless he finds the next big thing's tail to ride, and thats why they are riding so hard the wave.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:18 am
by carey
Sad story. Dayton C Steve McElvene passes away at 20 years of age:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ies-age-20
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 12:59 pm
by In2ition
Right now, I really hope that Dragan Bender falls to the Suns. I'm worried that the Celtics will take him. At 13, there are a few players that I wouldn't mind seeing. Denzel Valentine kind of reminds me of a cross between Brandon Roy and Jared Dudley. High basketball IQ, a lot of skills, leadership, but not as athletic as Roy. Smart and mature players tend to contribute and last in the NBA. At 28, swing for the fences, go with a project that could turn out to be outstanding.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:18 pm
by Sunsfan4life
I'm hoping the Celtics take Murray.
I hope Bender is in play at 4 for either the suns or to make our pick more enticing for a trade. At #13 I like Deyonta Davis, although I think as the draft process moves along he won't be there. Valentine is an option but he may go higher too. Little Sabonis is someone who is projectd to go lower but could be a consideration.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:14 pm
by ShelC
Sabonis at 4 and Valentine at 13.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:25 pm
by In2ition
Interesting
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:20 pm
by Mori Chu
I would be ecstatic if we got Sabonis. Bender also looks intriguing but I thought maybe we would lose out on him to the Celtics.