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No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Yep. You’re not getting a star in a trade with more than two years left on his deal.

No offense, but I disagree. Bledsoe, a top 4 pick, and another pick is way too much for someone who doesn't want to be here. Maybe if it's Anthony Davis, Antetekounmpo or a legit mvp candidate. Kyrie is not that. And while I like Kyrie, he's not a great fit with Booker either, these things matter when making an all in move like trading the farm for Kyrie.

So then we can just continue sucking with mediocre players and no superstar in sight other than Booker who will leave for greener pastures.

I'm done talking about Kyrie. You two wanted him and that's fine. Some of us disagree. We're not changing your mind, you're not changing ours. No point in discussing it anymore.

Fair enough

Though just to clarify, I was against the deal in the offseason. I've since changed my mind and regret they did not pull the trigger.

specialsauce wrote:Fair enough

Though just to clarify, I was against the deal in the offseason. I've since changed my mind and regret they did not pull the trigger.

That's fair. I was in favor of a Kyrie trade, but I was hesitant to include Jackson. Especially if Kyrie was uncommitted to staying here. Jackson has struggled out the gate which doesn't make us feel better about passing, but I'm expecting Jackson to be a pretty good player for us in time.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Excuse me, but you can’t run a business under taking chances or “i’m not a loser” bravados.

You have to take CALCULATED risks, and compromise your resources under circunstances backed up by information. If Kirye said he is unwilling to commit, you set a price for that deal as we did, is not like we ended talks because of it. It’s very likely that we would have upped up our offer under an extend-and-trade scenario.

Teams have to prepare for uncomitted Stars, or lose them for nothing. Under your dare-or-close standars, over half the league would shut down their business, either for your “lack of courage” rule or the ramifications of losing players without compensations

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Excuse me, but you can’t run a business under taking chances or “i’m not a loser” bravados.

You have to take CALCULATED risks, and compromise your resources under circunstances backed up by information. If Kirye said he is unwilling to commit, you set a price for that deal as we did, is not like we ended talks because of it. It’s very likely that we would have upped up our offer under an extend-and-trade scenario.

Teams have to prepare for uncomitted Stars, or lose them for nothing. Under your dare-or-close standars, over half the league would shut down their business, either for your “lack of courage” rule or the ramifications of losing players without compensations

Yup. You don't just throw away assets and hope it works out.

Superbone wrote:

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Excuse me, but you can’t run a business under taking chances or “i’m not a loser” bravados.

You have to take CALCULATED risks, and compromise your resources under circunstances backed up by information. If Kirye said he is unwilling to commit, you set a price for that deal as we did, is not like we ended talks because of it. It’s very likely that we would have upped up our offer under an extend-and-trade scenario.

Teams have to prepare for uncomitted Stars, or lose them for nothing. Under your dare-or-close standars, over half the league would shut down their business, either for your “lack of courage” rule or the ramifications of losing players without compensations

Yup. You don't just throw away assets and hope it works out.

Thats exactly what you do. You never know if its gonna work out. The thing about NBA trades is that the team that gets the great player generally wins them.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Excuse me, but you can’t run a business under taking chances or “i’m not a loser” bravados.

You have to take CALCULATED risks, and compromise your resources under circunstances backed up by information. If Kirye said he is unwilling to commit, you set a price for that deal as we did, is not like we ended talks because of it. It’s very likely that we would have upped up our offer under an extend-and-trade scenario.

Teams have to prepare for uncomitted Stars, or lose them for nothing. Under your dare-or-close standars, over half the league would shut down their business, either for your “lack of courage” rule or the ramifications of losing players without compensations

Yup. You don't just throw away assets and hope it works out.

Thats exactly what you do. You never know if its gonna work out. The thing about NBA trades is that the team that gets the great player generally wins them.

Maybe if the player says he's interested in playing for his new team. Not when he says, no, I don't want to play for you.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Aztec Sunsfan wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:No. The point still stands. He's upset and wants to leave Lebron. You get him here, you've got two years to convince him that you are a great franchise and that he should want to be here.

You have to be willing to be confident and take chances to win in the NBA.

Excuse me, but you can’t run a business under taking chances or “i’m not a loser” bravados.

You have to take CALCULATED risks, and compromise your resources under circunstances backed up by information. If Kirye said he is unwilling to commit, you set a price for that deal as we did, is not like we ended talks because of it. It’s very likely that we would have upped up our offer under an extend-and-trade scenario.

Teams have to prepare for uncomitted Stars, or lose them for nothing. Under your dare-or-close standars, over half the league would shut down their business, either for your “lack of courage” rule or the ramifications of losing players without compensations

Yup. You don't just throw away assets and hope it works out.

Thats exactly what you do. You never know if its gonna work out. The thing about NBA trades is that the team that gets the great player generally wins them.

The team that gets the best player generally wins. BTW. All things being equal. I think Greg Monroe is a better player than Eric Bledsoe. But contracts and injuries shake it up a bit.

Not when he says, no, I don't want to play for you.

How do you know he said that? Were you in the room for the negotiations? Also, you really can't conceive of an outcome where a player initially doesn't want to come to Phoenix, but comes here and plays 2 full years of his contract, and during that time comes to realize that he likes it here and wants to stay? You don't think we could have convinced him?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:

Not when he says, no, I don't want to play for you.

How do you know he said that? Were you in the room for the negotiations? Also, you really can't conceive of an outcome where a player initially doesn't want to come to Phoenix, but comes here and plays 2 full years of his contract, and during that time comes to realize that he likes it here and wants to stay? You don't think we could have convinced him?

I honestly think that we couldn't have convinced him not in our current situation. I think if our young guys were a year or two farther along it would be a different story.

1. I'm very glad that we didn't bring in Kyrie to make us just better enough to let Watson keep his job.

2. I'm very glad we didn't give up more than a 28ppg All-NBA player who took his team to the conference finals + an assumed top 5 pick in an assumed great draft + a starter who perfectly fits the Cavs + a second round pick for the privilege of watching Booker and Irving take turns going 1on1 while the locker room deteriorates and whatever young guys are left just stand around. I'm not even sure we could have beaten that deal without including Booker. Bled + Jackson + Miami Pick? Please. We would have at least had to include our 2018 pick to beat that.

Warren, Booker, and Irving would've been a nice combo. No defense being played at all, but hell, who plays defense anymore?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:

Not when he says, no, I don't want to play for you.

How do you know he said that? Were you in the room for the negotiations? Also, you really can't conceive of an outcome where a player initially doesn't want to come to Phoenix, but comes here and plays 2 full years of his contract, and during that time comes to realize that he likes it here and wants to stay? You don't think we could have convinced him?

Touche. However, he did say who he wanted to play for and Phoenix wasn't on the list. But I think you know that.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:

Not when he says, no, I don't want to play for you.

How do you know he said that? Were you in the room for the negotiations? Also, you really can't conceive of an outcome where a player initially doesn't want to come to Phoenix, but comes here and plays 2 full years of his contract, and during that time comes to realize that he likes it here and wants to stay? You don't think we could have convinced him?

There have been reports that that was the situation. I believe it to be true, but do not know for sure.

O_Gardino wrote:1. I'm very glad that we didn't bring in Kyrie to make us just better enough to let Watson keep his job.

2. I'm very glad we didn't give up more than a 28ppg All-NBA player who took his team to the conference finals + an assumed top 5 pick in an assumed great draft + a starter who perfectly fits the Cavs + a second round pick for the privilege of watching Booker and Irving take turns going 1on1 while the locker room deteriorates and whatever young guys are left just stand around. I'm not even sure we could have beaten that deal without including Booker. Bled + Jackson + Miami Pick? Please. We would have at least had to include our 2018 pick to beat that.

1. Hadn't considered that one. Yes. Kyrie could have saved Watsons job, which would have been a disaster.

2. 28ppg all-star player that was injured and on the last year of his deal (Ainge knew about the injury), an assumed (but in no way guaranteed) top f pick, an unnecessary starter.

But, it is what it is. I do not see a point in fretting over it. Moving on.

The best thing to happen to this team is the Watson firing. I would agree that any move that would have saved his job would have set this team back further in the long run.