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Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:41 am
by JeremyG
The way Shams worded it sounds like these were old talks and the Hawks are just leaking it now (in order to try to restart discussions or something?).
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:54 am
by Wally_West
Crowder and Saric to the wizards for Will Barton and Deni Avdija
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:24 pm
by Indy
They already have 138M on the books for next year without Hunter's extension/new contract and that is only for roughly half their roster.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:28 pm
by Split T
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:24 pm
They already have 138M on the books for next year without Hunter's extension/new contract and that is only for roughly half their roster.
True, but he’s still better than Crowder. Take him for 1 year and S&T him next summer if you don’t want to pay him.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
by Indy
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:15 pm
by Wally_West
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Don’t we all know lol
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
by Split T
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:04 pm
by In2ition
I wouldn't mind getting Jalen Johnson back in the trade in some way. I still think he has some nice upside if developed right.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:15 pm
by Split T
Ya, Justin Holiday and Jalen Johnson is about the best we can hope for I think. Holiday is a good, playable wing. Doesn’t solve our need of more creation and can’t play the 4, but he’s better than any bench wings we have.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:27 pm
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
Sorry, thought you were saying that Atlanta shouldn't trade him because they could always flip him next summer in part of a S&T. My comment about 138M was for Atlanta, and that could be the reason they are talking about moving on from Hunter.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:40 pm
by Split T
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:27 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
Sorry, thought you were saying that Atlanta shouldn't trade him because they could always flip him next summer in part of a S&T. My comment about 138M was for Atlanta, and that could be the reason they are talking about moving on from Hunter.
Gotcha, ok that makes more sense
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:02 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
We have the draft capital. Time to use it.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:18 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:02 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
We have the draft capital. Time to use it.
I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:59 pm
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:18 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:02 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
We have the draft capital. Time to use it.
I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available
That worked so well last time.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:57 pm
by Mori Chu
I would do that Collins deal in a heartbeat. I think they'd manage to fleece us out of more than Crowder + 1st, though. I'm afraid they'd get 2 future 1sts out of us. Which is dumb, but I bet James Jones would do it. And then we'd have a problem about Cam Johnson vs Collins.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:01 am
by AmareIsGod
TOO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:59 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:18 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:02 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:01 pm
S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
We have the draft capital. Time to use it.
I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available
That worked so well last time.
Optimist prime! Is this in reference to KD? The deal we all know how close or how far we were from pulling off? Are you faulting the organization for taking a swing at it, even if they missed?
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:56 am
by TOO
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:01 am
TOO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:59 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:18 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:02 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:22 pm
Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.
We have the draft capital. Time to use it.
I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available
That worked so well last time.
Optimist prime! Is this in reference to KD? The deal we all know how close or how far we were from pulling off? Are you faulting the organization for taking a swing at it, even if they missed?
I'm faulting the organization for sitting on its hands for too long, Brooklyn was pretty adamant about their demands and they never wavered. Not sure why you keep waiting hoping for something to change. They also painted themselves into a corner with Ayton making it impossible to do anything after that.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:18 am
by Split T
Pretty extensive and interesting stuff in here about the Crowder situation.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:22 am
by Split T
Interesting quotes from the article:
Along with Miami, inquiring teams have been told Atlanta is Crowder’s other preferred landing spot. While the Hawks have made calls about injured wing Bogdan Bogdanovic, a potential framework of Crowder and Landry Shamet for Bogdanovic has made the rounds among front office personnel, although one source with knowledge of the situation claimed Shamet is not part of any active Suns conversations with Atlanta. The Hawks and Suns have had dialogue on Crowder throughout the summer.
Perhaps there’s a three-team framework with Atlanta in which the Hawks could send a young player and salary, such as Justin Holiday’s contract, to Phoenix, which the Suns could re-route and obtain a different player on their wish list. Rockets forward K.J. Martin, another forward known to have interest in playing elsewhere, is one player the Suns have held ongoing talks about obtaining, sources said
In recent transaction cycles, Phoenix has explored adding greater ball-handling depth behind Chris Paul and Devin Booker. And Jordan Clarkson, one of the many veterans thought to be available in Utah, is one dynamic guard the Suns have inquired about landing in exchange for Crowder, sources said. Would Phoenix be willing to attach draft capital in that scenario? That outcome would seem to result in Crowder securing a buyout from Utah, and then his pick of destination, albeit at an unknown salary.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:44 am
by Split T
How about Crowder to Atlanta, KJ Martin and Justin Holiday to us, Jalen Johnson and a 2nd to Houston. Who says no?
Doesn’t really solve our shot creation need, but gives us some wing depth.