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Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:06 pm
by specialsauce
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:44 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:19 am
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:47 am
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:39 am
I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.
Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.
If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.
Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.
So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:31 pm
by Superbone
ShelC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:59 pm
I thought Randle flopped a bit on that Brooks push.
Most definitely. The refs were not good. I know I'm biased but they were seemingly against the Suns. Book's last foul blocking out 7 foot Gobert was ridiculous.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:32 pm
by Superbone
Speaking of the game winner, that's the much preferable approach when down 1. Book taking a three last time in this situation was awful. Especially in that game where he was hitting twos at a high rate.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:04 pm
by BKinSJC
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:06 pm
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:44 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:19 am
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:47 am
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:39 am
I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.
Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.
If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.
Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.
So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?
During most of Kerr's career, the Warriors have been successful, which means that they haven't had that many high draft picks leading to players that were expected to provide big contributions. It's really just been Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that they've drafted. Wiseman was obviously just a bad pick, who hasn't been able to play at the NBA level. Kuminga and Moody are both still in Golden State, so it's not really possible to know how they'd do in a different system.
As far as younger players that they traded for or signed - since the championship years, I'd say that Jordan Poole, Kelly Oubre Jr. and D'Angelo Russell are all younger players that didn't thrive under Kerr, and have gone on to individual (though not necessarily team) success elsewhere. During the championship years, Harrison Barnes was an important starter for a few years who was scapegoated for a playoff loss and let go when he was 23, and he's gone on to have a good long NBA career at a number of stops since then.
Bear in mind, all of this is a response to an assertion that "If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can." What's the evidence that Kerr would be the best guy to help a young player improve? Winning championships with overwhelming talent doesn't necessarily cross over with being great at player development.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 6:23 pm
by Kryptonic
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:06 pm
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:44 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:19 am
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:47 am
ShelC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:39 am
I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.
Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.
If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.
Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.
So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?
pffft... I know a guy who "thinks" this was his case... lol
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 9:11 pm
by specialsauce
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:04 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:06 pm
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:44 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:19 am
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:47 am
Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.
If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.
Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.
So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?
During most of Kerr's career, the Warriors have been successful, which means that they haven't had that many high draft picks leading to players that were expected to provide big contributions. It's really just been Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that they've drafted. Wiseman was obviously just a bad pick, who hasn't been able to play at the NBA level. Kuminga and Moody are both still in Golden State, so it's not really possible to know how they'd do in a different system.
As far as younger players that they traded for or signed - since the championship years, I'd say that Jordan Poole, Kelly Oubre Jr. and D'Angelo Russell are all younger players that didn't thrive under Kerr, and have gone on to individual (though not necessarily team) success elsewhere. During the championship years, Harrison Barnes was an important starter for a few years who was scapegoated for a playoff loss and let go when he was 23, and he's gone on to have a good long NBA career at a number of stops since then.
Bear in mind, all of this is a response to an assertion that "If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can." What's the evidence that Kerr would be the best guy to help a young player improve? Winning championships with overwhelming talent doesn't necessarily cross over with being great at player development.
Uh, the players you named are ass elsewhere.
This was not a compelling argument
If your argument is
"Kerr doesn't like low IQ players that want to launch shots at a low efficiency at the expense of the team without offering any intangibles" then okay. Yes, Kerr likes players that are good, damn him
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 9:54 pm
by Split T
I think his argument is when has Kerr developed young players…yes most of the young guys that didn’t work out in Golden State also didn’t work out elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean Kerr is good with young talent. He’s good with good players and doesn’t seem all that interested in doing the development stuff…which I don’t blame him, he’s had a top 10 player of all time on his team the entire time he’s been the coach.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:21 pm
by BKinSJC
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 9:54 pm
I think his argument is when has Kerr developed young players…yes most of the young guys that didn’t work out in Golden State also didn’t work out elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean Kerr is good with young talent. He’s good with good players and doesn’t seem all that interested in doing the development stuff…which I don’t blame him, he’s had a top 10 player of all time on his team the entire time he’s been the coach.
Thank you. I had written a lot more, and been more combative about it, but that's essentially the point. I don't think there's any evidence that Kerr has ever cared about developing young players. He has his favorites that he'll back no matter what, and he's very much been a win-now and win-only coach who doesn't seem to have much patience for letting young guys figure things out by playing through them during the season.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:41 pm
by Superbone
Warriors have a rookie right now named Will Richard that's playing great for them and he was a deep 2nd rounder. He's even starting. Quinten Post is a second year player that's also playing very well for the Warriors.
Re: Game Day: Wolves (10-5) @ Suns (9-6), Fri 11/21/25
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 11:24 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:41 pm
Warriors have a rookie right now named Will Richard that's playing great for them and he was a deep 2nd rounder. He's even a starting. Quinten Post is a second year player that's also playing very well for the Warriors.
Both were 4 year college guys that came in fairly developed. Both also are strictly role players just being asked to do very little. They are averaging like 8 and 6 points respectively.
I think Kerr has a system that revolves around Curry and if you’re willing to sacrifice to be a part of that system, he’ll play you. The system doesn’t really lend itself to a young player who wants to develop into a star.
And I’ll restate that I don’t blame Kerr for that, but the original comment was essentially if Kerr can’t develop a young player then they probably aren’t any good and I just don’t see the evidence to support that…he’s never really developed anyone into anything other than a role player.