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Yes, we all know it's a long shot. Can we get just a smidge of fucking optimism around here?! Jaysus.

carey wrote:Yes, we all know it's a long shot. Can we get just a smidge of fucking optimism around here?! Jaysus.

I can be optimistic til I'm blue if the face, doesn't change the fact that LMA and Love have better options elsewhere.

I agree. Just posting relevant suns news.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:Yes, we all know it's a long shot. Can we get just a smidge of fucking optimism around here?! Jaysus.

I can be optimistic til I'm blue if the face, doesn't change the fact that LMA and Love have better options elsewhere.

Yes, it's true, they do have better options (but I don't think Dallas is one of them.) This place is totally sadpanda lately though. Maybe we should all cross our fingers, pray to Joboo, and get Cerano a bucket of fried chicken. I just can't stand feeling this way all the time and knowing all you guys feel that way too.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/615362987562528768 https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/615363531945459712

Stein is the most reputably guy in ESPN. he only reports when he is sure. Like the fact that it seems the suns are moving on with the bledsoe is "the guy" talk.

BTW 5/70 will look like a pretty good deal in a few yrs, but I agree 2 of them for those two players are too much an

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Sunsfan4life wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ree-Agency

Both will have superior options elsewhere, I'd be shocked if we landed either.

Hey, the article says "Hope to pursue", not "Hope to sign"...

So, I guess the goal is to get an interview, just like the last offseason, trying to be "in the conversation" for Lebron.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Sunsfan4life wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ree-Agency

Both will have superior options elsewhere, I'd be shocked if we landed either.

I'd be shocked if we got to first base. Sorry, carey. I just can't fake it.

Is that exactly the same as Bledsoe was given? 5/$70m?

Gladiator wrote:https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/615362987562528768 https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/615363531945459712

This is fantastic news.

/Positivity

carey wrote:Yes, we all know it's a long shot. Can we get just a smidge of fucking optimism around here?! Jaysus.

So true. I feel as if people are being negative because it's kind of trendy to be negative.

That being said, here's another negative coal to throw on the fire. Let's say that Bledsoe is traded, and Knight becomes the lead PG. Knight is not known for his ability to penetrate like Bledsoe or Dragic, and is more of a shooter. Considering that both Aldridge and Love are primarily jump shooters on offense, how does all of this fit? You would end up with a whole bunch of perimeter players just kind of standing there without any kind of inside play. This would only work if Len turns into Hakeem or Shaq or David Robinson. Not even Patrick Ewing, who took mid-range jumpers more than half the time.

IMHO, if Bledsoe is traded, the best fit would be DeMarcus Cousins, who could command a double team inside so that the Suns could play inside-out.

And an interesting take from Forbes of all places:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler ... n-table/2/

All Ranadive has now are bad or unlikely choices: a) try to reconcile Karl and Cousins; b) trade Cousins to the hated division rival Lakers; c) fire Karl.

Of course, if he fires Karl, how long would it be before d) Cousins, who’s like an out-of-tune violin string, makes the Kings trade him, too?

Nevertheless, this shouldn’t be able to happen… should it?

If trading Cousins would be hard enough, trading him to the Lakers would set Ranadive up for Western Conference infamy as the man who put the local monster back on its feet.


Kupchak, who knows enough not to assume anything, surely took Russell on two bases: 1) He would be a good player for the Lakers, or 2) would bring a good player in trade. Bet on 1).

The smart thing for Ranadive to do is to empower someone Karl to run the team–since someone other than Vivek must–but tell him that even they if they have to trade Cousins, it can’t be now and not to That Team.

On the other hand, he’s Vivek Ranadive. “Smart” has yet to come into it.

Massive opening for the Suns here, if there's any shred of truth here.

virtual9mm wrote:

carey wrote:Yes, we all know it's a long shot. Can we get just a smidge of fucking optimism around here?! Jaysus.

So true. I feel as if people are being negative because it's kind of trendy to be negative.

That being said, here's another negative coal to throw on the fire. Let's say that Bledsoe is traded, and Knight becomes the lead PG. Knight is not known for his ability to penetrate like Bledsoe or Dragic, and is more of a shooter. Considering that both Aldridge and Love are primarily jump shooters on offense, how does all of this fit? You would end up with a whole bunch of perimeter players just kind of standing there without any kind of inside play. This would only work if Len turns into Hakeem or Shaq or David Robinson. Not even Patrick Ewing, who took mid-range jumpers more than half the time.

IMHO, if Bledsoe is traded, the best fit would be DeMarcus Cousins, who could command a double team inside so that the Suns could play inside-out.

Negativity breeds negativity, it's science.

As for changing PGs, Knight can drive fine, he's also better in the PnR than Bledsoe. Neither is an ideal PG, but it's what we've got.

I love Boogie and would move Len/Bledsoe for him easily, I'm not sure Horny could handle him though.

How about this?

Kings get : Bledsoe, the Morris twins, 1st round pick. Maybe Archie too?

Suns get: Cousins and Landry.

Here is some optimism! I actually really like the young talent we got. I think Booker, Warren, and Len all could potentially develop into players that can score 18-20 pts consistently every night and then you add in the almost nearly eastern all-star Brandon Knight, who already is that type a player, you got yourself a really nice core for the future. Also, they are all under 25 and none of them seem like knuckleheads either.

Wally_West wrote:How about this?

Kings get : Bledsoe, the Morris twins, 1st round pick. Maybe Archie too?

Suns get: Cousins and Landry.

Deal.

virtual9mm wrote:And an interesting take from Forbes of all places:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler ... n-table/2/

All Ranadive has now are bad or unlikely choices: a) try to reconcile Karl and Cousins; b) trade Cousins to the hated division rival Lakers; c) fire Karl.

Of course, if he fires Karl, how long would it be before d) Cousins, who’s like an out-of-tune violin string, makes the Kings trade him, too?

Nevertheless, this shouldn’t be able to happen… should it?

If trading Cousins would be hard enough, trading him to the Lakers would set Ranadive up for Western Conference infamy as the man who put the local monster back on its feet.


Kupchak, who knows enough not to assume anything, surely took Russell on two bases: 1) He would be a good player for the Lakers, or 2) would bring a good player in trade. Bet on 1).

The smart thing for Ranadive to do is to empower someone Karl to run the team–since someone other than Vivek must–but tell him that even they if they have to trade Cousins, it can’t be now and not to That Team.

On the other hand, he’s Vivek Ranadive. “Smart” has yet to come into it.

Massive opening for the Suns here, if there's any shred of truth here.

I am going to set up a poll because I'm not sure I want DMC. I sometimes do but I see this stuff & think it can't all be Sacramento. Then I listen to stuff like that hour he did with Simmons on the B.S. Report & damn if he isn't a very smart guy. I think maybe you have to take the risk but we have to acknowledge it would be emptying out the war chest. Bledsoe, Warren, maybe even Len, maybe a Morris and likely 2-3 picks depending on which players go. If you take too long to fill a team out around him post trade or he winds up hating Phoenix too because really he just wanted to be in NY or L.A. We probably have to take the risk but it does have serious potential to bust leaving us the Kings of the last few years.

Carey, I'd say that you'd have to go for it. Any of the outside shooters would be valuable with Cousins around. And Warren would be doubly valuable given his potential as a slasher that doesn't need plays run for him, kind of the way Marion thrived cleaning up after the Nash-Amare pick and roll. So, I'd start with a Bledsoe + Archie + multiple picks kind of package. I hate to say it, but the Morris Twins would work well with Cousins, as they are both good at interior passing and spacing. If the Kings need a sweetener, Len might have to be included, although I'd love to see a Len-Cousins lineup at some point, provided that Len can improve his jumper.

TheOriginalOriginal -- I did not realize that Knight was good at the pick-and-roll. If Cousins is willing to play that way, this could work really, really well.

I'm not sure where the rumor comes from but they're talking about Porzingis coming over from NYK on one of the other boards in exchange for Bledsoe. I'm kinda meh on the thought of that, myself.

Dan H wrote:I'm not sure where the rumor comes from but they're talking about Porzingis coming over from NYK on one of the other boards in exchange for Bledsoe. I'm kinda meh on the thought of that, myself.

That's the same rumor that hit a couple days before the draft. If we do that we are either going in for a complete rebuild or possibly trying to flip him for DMC.