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The Bobster wrote:

Phoenix219 wrote:Pulaski was great. Actual conflict between crew members! Actual spunk and personality! Shades of Spock/McCoy! Someone to actually disagree and have their own opinion! The TNG crew was soooooo boring, self righteous and unrealistic. There was a studio mandate that in the perfect future there would not be conflict within the crew. With 1000 people, that is beyond unrealistic. Season 1 had way more adventure/TOS style exploration then the later seasons, which became talky and filled with techno babble deus ex machina solutions. I would watch Season 1 or 2 10 times over before I would rewatch S6 or S7, thats for sure.

The "no friction among the crew" edict was all Roddenberry.

I liked Pulaski a lot more than most of the crew, but she wan't really popular at the time.

And Patrick Stewart really makes the first couple of years watchable. And eventually they got a handle on what they were doing (more Worf and less Wesley) so things got better.

Yup.... i just called it a studio mandate, because it is much easier. Roddenberry's careful manufactured image overshadows most of the reality of the man.

I prefer the first two, maybe 3 seasons of TNG, and in my opinion, it is all downhill from there. They found a formula that they refused to break, even 2 to 3 series later. Crusher bored me to tears. Anything they could have done with her character (eitiher with Wesley, her dead ex, or Picard) was practically ignored. Pulaski had personality. Crusher was kind of just... there. The show just refused to take risks after the first couple years. They almost replaced Riker with his own transporter clone, but shied away from it. Picard as an ongoing enemy and the face of the Borg could have been awesome. Any major shake up in the status quo would have been great. What we ended up with bored me to tears. I'll stick with my TOS reruns and fanfilms. Lol.

The Bobster wrote:

Phoenix219 wrote:Pulaski was great. Actual conflict between crew members! Actual spunk and personality! Shades of Spock/McCoy! Someone to actually disagree and have their own opinion! The TNG crew was soooooo boring, self righteous and unrealistic. There was a studio mandate that in the perfect future there would not be conflict within the crew. With 1000 people, that is beyond unrealistic. Season 1 had way more adventure/TOS style exploration then the later seasons, which became talky and filled with techno babble deus ex machina solutions. I would watch Season 1 or 2 10 times over before I would rewatch S6 or S7, thats for sure.

The "no friction among the crew" edict was all Roddenberry.

I liked Pulaski a lot more than most of the crew, but she wan't really popular at the time.

And Patrick Stewart really makes the first couple of years watchable. And eventually they got a handle on what they were doing (more Worf and less Wesley) so things got better.

Exactly. There wasn't a studio mandate. It was a Roddenbery mandate. He was also mandating that all shows should be completely stand alone and have no impact from one week to the next (like original TOS, despite TV in the 60s being completely different than stuff in the late 80s/early 90s).

Phoenix219 wrote:

The Bobster wrote:

Phoenix219 wrote:Pulaski was great. Actual conflict between crew members! Actual spunk and personality! Shades of Spock/McCoy! Someone to actually disagree and have their own opinion! The TNG crew was soooooo boring, self righteous and unrealistic. There was a studio mandate that in the perfect future there would not be conflict within the crew. With 1000 people, that is beyond unrealistic. Season 1 had way more adventure/TOS style exploration then the later seasons, which became talky and filled with techno babble deus ex machina solutions. I would watch Season 1 or 2 10 times over before I would rewatch S6 or S7, thats for sure.

The "no friction among the crew" edict was all Roddenberry.

I liked Pulaski a lot more than most of the crew, but she wan't really popular at the time.

And Patrick Stewart really makes the first couple of years watchable. And eventually they got a handle on what they were doing (more Worf and less Wesley) so things got better.

Yup.... i just called it a studio mandate, because it is much easier. Roddenberry's careful manufactured image overshadows most of the reality of the man.

I prefer the first two, maybe 3 seasons of TNG, and in my opinion, it is all downhill from there. They found a formula that they refused to break, even 2 to 3 series later. Crusher bored me to tears. Anything they could have done with her character (eitiher with Wesley, her dead ex, or Picard) was practically ignored. Pulaski had personality. Crusher was kind of just... there. The show just refused to take risks after the first couple years. They almost replaced Riker with his own transporter clone, but shied away from it. Picard as an ongoing enemy and the face of the Borg could have been awesome. Any major shake up in the status quo would have been great. What we ended up with bored me to tears. I'll stick with my TOS reruns and fanfilms. Lol.

I couldn't disagree more about TNG's best seasons being their first two.

Damn you Trekkies! Go find another thread to speak Klingon!

I'm one of the few who prefers DS9 over TNG.

BSG. All day, all night. Game over.

Wally_West wrote:I'm one of the few who prefers DS9 over TNG.

Once they got a ship, DS9 was a great show.

The Bobster wrote:

Wally_West wrote:I'm one of the few who prefers DS9 over TNG.

Once they got a ship, DS9 was a great show.

Yeah, the last couple seasons of DS9 was layered, exciting and thought provoking. The Defiant was only part of that. Great stuff for the time period.

I'm an oddball, but my preferences (when I do venture out of my TOS sandbox) is

1. TOS + movies + TAS + fanfilms
2. DS9
3. Enterprise
4. TNG
5. Voyager.

^ Enterprise over TNG?!!?!?!????!! ................ ................ .............. :'(

Enterprise has more of the "open unexplored space/frontier adventuring" feel of TOS, and later leads into some serialized storylines, and a bunch of TOS continuity porn in Season 4. Huge Bakula fan from his Quantum Leap days. Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites! The beginnings of the Federation. Early days of spaceflight. Yeah, definitely Enterprise over TNG. TNG bored me to tears by the end. Voyager might as well have been TNG Lite/TNG 2.0. Yup, last place for those 2.

I never got into any other trek series other than TOS and TNG. However, I don't think I saw much of any DS9 if any. I might have to give that a go sometime.

Back on topic, I'm watching the TWolves at Kings and the Kings can't make much of anything whereas they couldn't miss against us.

Phoenix219 wrote:Enterprise has more of the "open unexplored space/frontier adventuring" feel of TOS, and later leads into some serialized storylines, and a bunch of TOS continuity porn in Season 4. Huge Bakula fan from his Quantum Leap days. Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites! The beginnings of the Federation. Early days of spaceflight. Yeah, definitely Enterprise over TNG. TNG bored me to tears by the end. Voyager might as well have been TNG Lite/TNG 2.0. Yup, last place for those 2.

I know why you *really* liked Enterprise so much.