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Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:57 pm
by Superbone
Drewsprocket wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:58 pm
CP3 is just bitter, you know how he is. Isiah is not a shadow gm. Book and KD recruit and they have the backing owner. Don’t go jumping off bridges.
We already did that in the KD trade...

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:10 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:38 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
TOO wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:41 pm
Paul loves Paul first and foremost, anything he says should probably be taken with a grain of salt on the way out.
As he should. I'm fine with him wanting to get that money. That's not pocket change even for someone who's made hundreds of millions.

I'm also fine with being blunt about him not worth nearly that salary and the Suns best option is to move on.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:50 pm
by Shabazz
ShelC wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:20 pm


Guess the thinking is that it'd be easier to trade DA for pieces later if needed? Or it's posturing to make DA feel more wanted by the Suns? Or proves his value to other teams?
If they want to do a separate trade, I'd send them DA for some package that includes 2 of Deni, Gafford, Kispert, Kuz (opted in) and either Morris or Wright. (unless we've got some better options out there)

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:55 pm
by Wally_West

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:02 pm
by ShelC
If he not part of the org in an official capacity, it wouldn't make sense for him to be in the room. Doesn't mean he's not advising Ishbia/speaking to him on a regular basis.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:06 pm
by TOO
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:50 pm
ShelC wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:20 pm


Guess the thinking is that it'd be easier to trade DA for pieces later if needed? Or it's posturing to make DA feel more wanted by the Suns? Or proves his value to other teams?
If they want to do a separate trade, I'd send them DA for some package that includes 2 of Deni, Gafford, Kispert, Avdija, Kuz (opted in) and either Morris or Wright. (unless we've got some better options out there)
Not sure adding half the Wizards roster is the best way to make your team better.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:09 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I mean.. the Wiz would've been a lot better with Booker and KD last season.

They have some pretty good role players.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:16 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
This exact point has been driving me crazy the last couple of weeks. Aren't these people paid to watch basketball?


Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:46 pm
by Drewsprocket
ShelC wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:02 pm
If he not part of the org in an official capacity, it wouldn't make sense for him to be in the room. Doesn't mean he's not advising Ishbia/speaking to him on a regular basis.
Puppetmaster Isiah pulling the strings and advising Ishbia over KD, Booker, and JJ to obtain a top SG in the NBA for next to nothing.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:52 pm
by ShelC
Maybe it worked out this time, maybe it cost us with the KD trade and those negotiations. Maybe it'll cost us in the future if JJ is more informed with the cap situation and waiting things out while Isiah is saying, "Don't worry about all that Matt, just pull the trigger."

That's how he ran things in NY and where there's smoke there's fire. Especially with him.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:57 pm
by pickle
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:50 pm
ShelC wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:20 pm


Guess the thinking is that it'd be easier to trade DA for pieces later if needed? Or it's posturing to make DA feel more wanted by the Suns? Or proves his value to other teams?
If they want to do a separate trade, I'd send them DA for some package that includes 2 of Deni, Gafford, Kispert, Kuz (opted in) and either Morris or Wright. (unless we've got some better options out there)
Think you can get Deni or you can get Avdija, but hard to get two of those.

Jokes aside, I’ve had a lot of scenarios in my head where we send out DA and get back 3 or so useful players on another roster. I’m just not sure the other teams value him as such.

Mark Williams PJ Washington Rozier? I’ll stop. I think whatever proposal I put out will be unrealistic because I’m just a bit of a homer.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:07 pm
by Drewsprocket
ShelC wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:52 pm
Maybe it worked out this time, maybe it cost us with the KD trade and those negotiations. Maybe it'll cost us in the future if JJ is more informed with the cap situation and waiting things out while Isiah is saying, "Don't worry about all that Matt, just pull the trigger."

That's how he ran things in NY and where there's smoke there's fire. Especially with him.
Look I hate Isiah too as a gm. But you’re looking for confirmation of a worst case fear. CP3 has all the smoke, he just got dropped by KD and Book. Put the razor away man.
So long as Beal balls out, hits 40% of his 3s and scores 20ppg+ there will be a market for him. Same probably for KD. There are going to be a ton of open shots to be had. We have never had more talent on this roster than now. If Ishbia can win the next trade with Ayton and we sign a legit veteran or two, we’re looking at WCF matchup with Denver.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:00 pm
by JeremyG


Woj says the Wizards may keep Chris Paul as their point guard this season. No wonder he was so bitter hahahaha.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:14 am
by Superbone

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:31 am
by Flagrant Fowl
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:00 pm
Woj says the Wizards may keep Chris Paul as their point guard this season. No wonder he was so bitter hahahaha.
I'll bet anyone anything that Chris Paul doesn't play a single game for the Wizards.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:46 am
by Mori Chu
Wally_West wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:37 pm
Didn’t listen but reading on twitter, it seems Gambo was saying Chris Paul wasn’t interested in getting waived and coming back on the minimum, wanted to stay but at his 30 million salary fully guaranteed.
Wow, he wanted to make $30m rather than stay here for $1.5m? What a selfish asshole.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:57 am
by SunsSince92
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:46 am
Wally_West wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:37 pm
Didn’t listen but reading on twitter, it seems Gambo was saying Chris Paul wasn’t interested in getting waived and coming back on the minimum, wanted to stay but at his 30 million salary fully guaranteed.
Wow, he wanted to make $30m rather than stay here for $1.5m? What a selfish asshole.
Yeah, I don't think it's selfish of him to want his $30m guaranteed but he shouldn't be bitter at the Suns for moving him because they no longer felt his performance on the court warranted paying him that salary.

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:16 am
by specialsauce
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:46 am
Wally_West wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:37 pm
Didn’t listen but reading on twitter, it seems Gambo was saying Chris Paul wasn’t interested in getting waived and coming back on the minimum, wanted to stay but at his 30 million salary fully guaranteed.
Wow, he wanted to make $30m rather than stay here for $1.5m? What a selfish asshole.
16.5 million

Re: Suns Trade For Beal!

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:29 am
by Sunsfan4life
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:46 am
Wally_West wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:37 pm
Didn’t listen but reading on twitter, it seems Gambo was saying Chris Paul wasn’t interested in getting waived and coming back on the minimum, wanted to stay but at his 30 million salary fully guaranteed.
Wow, he wanted to make $30m rather than stay here for $1.5m? What a selfish asshole.
Paul sounds biter. Nobody is saying he's selfish but the fact he's acting like he was blindsided is very hard to believe. Knew this was a possibility.