Adam Kinzinger tweeted out obvious propaganda, and he's pushing hard for WWIII. Maybe he should sit this one out.Nodack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:47 pmGOP torn as Greene speaks to far right amid ‘Putin!’ chants
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 0d022ac775
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders in Congress are torn over what to do with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene after the congresswoman spoke at a weekend event organized by a white nationalist who marveled over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the crowd erupted in chants of “Putin!”
It all shows the difficulty Republican leaders have combating the party’s drift toward Trump-style authoritarianism and embracing right-wing extremism.
“This may be a chance to burn out the cancer of the Republican Party — those that are, you know, Putin sympathetic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., a former military pilot who broke with his party over the Trump presidency.
But he worries that McCarthy and other GOP leaders will stop short of kicking Greene out of the party. “He won’t because she has power, let’s be honest, but I’m embarrassed by it.”
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So that means Greene is right and Putin is a hero? We should all embrace right wing extremism because of some Kinzinger Tweet in 2016 where he praised some Ukrainian fighter that I guess doesn’t exist?
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The dates are posted below the tweet. You can obviously see that it wasn't a tweet by Kinzinger in 2016.
I don't think that Greene is right, nor do I think that Putin is a hero.
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His stance in his own words
MARTIN: You've called for more U.S. military assistance for Ukraine after Russia launched its invasion. First, I want to ask your reaction to the deliveries authorized yesterday by the State Department. And if you don't think that's sufficient, what would additional support look like?
KINZINGER: Well, it's obviously good that they're doing it. The questions we have now is, you know, simple logistics. How are we getting those weapons, that assistance in? I mean, obviously, if we could roll back the clock, we should have sent a lot more a lot longer ago. But given where we are today, we need to send that in. And I don't know the details of what that assistance is, but I'm hoping - and if not, I'm calling - for things like the Stinger missiles that need to go in that can actually give Ukraine a fighting chance against some of the air power. The fact that the air is still contested over Ukraine, despite the fact that, you know, Russia has a superior air force, says a lot. Certainly, Ukraine has made the decision to fight. Certainly, they just need the materials to do it because they certainly don't lack the will.
MARTIN: I want to talk about public opinion in the United States, and I specifically want to ask about how some of your fellow Republicans have been reacting. I mean, on Tuesday, the official House GOP Twitter account, the House Republican account, tweeted, "this is what weakness on the world stage looks like," unquote, and added a photo of Biden walking away from the lectern at a press conference. And then you responded to this by saying you condemn it. You think this is divisive. It's bad for the country. It's bad for the sense of what we need to project to the Russians. What - how do you understand that? Like, what do you think is going on there? And tell me more about your reaction to that.
KINZINGER: Everything is politics. I mean, that's where we're at in this country. Everything is seen - no matter if the West is at threat, no matter what's going on now - everything is seen as through the lens of what can this mean for us, for the next election? There used to be a day in this country when we believed that politics ended at the water's edge. And unfortunately, a lot of my colleagues, while they are caught in their embarrassing past remarks, somewhat supportive of Vladimir Putin, they now have pivoted to saying, well, we can't support Putin, but what we can do is attack Joe Biden for weakness. And I would take you back to the very interesting point that, initially, some of my colleagues in the Republican Party would be sympathetic to Vladimir Putin. And now those same people are saying that Joe Biden is not doing enough. I mean, pick. Be consistent. If you like Vladimir Putin, be consistent in that. But playing politics is damaging this country, and I can guarantee you China is watching that.
MARTIN: So before we let you go, I want to ask how you assess President Biden's handling of the crisis so far? Is there something you think he's doing well? Is there something you think he should be doing better? And I'm also interested in whether you think he needs to speak more about whatever pocket of admiration for Putin exists in the United States. For whatever reason, do you think he needs to speak more to that? So, you know, how would you assess his performance so far? And is there something you think he should do differently?
KINZINGER: Yeah. I mean, look, I think, given where we're at now, at this moment, it would be OK. Obviously, some of the sanctions were good. I think it's going to depend on what happens with things, for instance, with the SWIFT transaction system and whether Europe and the United States pull Russia from that. I think the president needs to speak out a lot more. The American people right now, when I would have guessed five days ago, the vast majority either didn't care about what happened in Ukraine or said the U.S. has no interest there, I think that number has flipped on its head, and the president needs to lead public opinion on that. I don't think he's done the best job he could possibly do, but I also don't think he's utterly failing at this. I think the reality is not just Ukraine but the West is a threat in this war, and it's important - this is the moment to stand up because we're going to have to do it eventually if we don't.
MARTIN: You've called for more U.S. military assistance for Ukraine after Russia launched its invasion. First, I want to ask your reaction to the deliveries authorized yesterday by the State Department. And if you don't think that's sufficient, what would additional support look like?
KINZINGER: Well, it's obviously good that they're doing it. The questions we have now is, you know, simple logistics. How are we getting those weapons, that assistance in? I mean, obviously, if we could roll back the clock, we should have sent a lot more a lot longer ago. But given where we are today, we need to send that in. And I don't know the details of what that assistance is, but I'm hoping - and if not, I'm calling - for things like the Stinger missiles that need to go in that can actually give Ukraine a fighting chance against some of the air power. The fact that the air is still contested over Ukraine, despite the fact that, you know, Russia has a superior air force, says a lot. Certainly, Ukraine has made the decision to fight. Certainly, they just need the materials to do it because they certainly don't lack the will.
MARTIN: I want to talk about public opinion in the United States, and I specifically want to ask about how some of your fellow Republicans have been reacting. I mean, on Tuesday, the official House GOP Twitter account, the House Republican account, tweeted, "this is what weakness on the world stage looks like," unquote, and added a photo of Biden walking away from the lectern at a press conference. And then you responded to this by saying you condemn it. You think this is divisive. It's bad for the country. It's bad for the sense of what we need to project to the Russians. What - how do you understand that? Like, what do you think is going on there? And tell me more about your reaction to that.
KINZINGER: Everything is politics. I mean, that's where we're at in this country. Everything is seen - no matter if the West is at threat, no matter what's going on now - everything is seen as through the lens of what can this mean for us, for the next election? There used to be a day in this country when we believed that politics ended at the water's edge. And unfortunately, a lot of my colleagues, while they are caught in their embarrassing past remarks, somewhat supportive of Vladimir Putin, they now have pivoted to saying, well, we can't support Putin, but what we can do is attack Joe Biden for weakness. And I would take you back to the very interesting point that, initially, some of my colleagues in the Republican Party would be sympathetic to Vladimir Putin. And now those same people are saying that Joe Biden is not doing enough. I mean, pick. Be consistent. If you like Vladimir Putin, be consistent in that. But playing politics is damaging this country, and I can guarantee you China is watching that.
MARTIN: So before we let you go, I want to ask how you assess President Biden's handling of the crisis so far? Is there something you think he's doing well? Is there something you think he should be doing better? And I'm also interested in whether you think he needs to speak more about whatever pocket of admiration for Putin exists in the United States. For whatever reason, do you think he needs to speak more to that? So, you know, how would you assess his performance so far? And is there something you think he should do differently?
KINZINGER: Yeah. I mean, look, I think, given where we're at now, at this moment, it would be OK. Obviously, some of the sanctions were good. I think it's going to depend on what happens with things, for instance, with the SWIFT transaction system and whether Europe and the United States pull Russia from that. I think the president needs to speak out a lot more. The American people right now, when I would have guessed five days ago, the vast majority either didn't care about what happened in Ukraine or said the U.S. has no interest there, I think that number has flipped on its head, and the president needs to lead public opinion on that. I don't think he's done the best job he could possibly do, but I also don't think he's utterly failing at this. I think the reality is not just Ukraine but the West is a threat in this war, and it's important - this is the moment to stand up because we're going to have to do it eventually if we don't.
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https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/02/2 ... -politics/
As we speak, the broader Russian invasion of Ukraine may soon be under way. You recently tweeted that we must never allow an authoritarian like Putin to dictate which eastern European countries can democratize or join NATO. Is he afraid of democracy more than NATO? Is it a fear of democracy winning in his region?
I think that Putin’s biggest fear is losing power. He’s a smart guy. He knows that NATO has no desire to invade or attack Russia. His biggest fear is not the expansion of NATO. It’s that there are countries on his border that will show that democracy works. It can show an example like what happened during the Cold War, that his people will come to realize they can actually self-determine. And I think that’s his biggest fear—of what will come if Ukraine succeeds in turning westward or if Georgia succeeds in building a close relationship with the United States. Everything else is kind of a pretext for him.
How would you grade the Biden administration so far on how it’s pushing back against this aggression?
At the moment, it’s okay. There are certainly things I would do differently. I would not have been so clear that American troops would never intervene. At least keeping that as a gray area would have been itself a deterrent. I also would shut down Nord Stream 2, because Putin is using energy as a weapon. At the same time, it was fairly smart to put the intelligence out early that Russia would try to plant a false flag. All Russia has to do is create murkiness on Twitter, and that permeates. [Editor’s note: Nord Stream 2 is the natural gas pipeline linking Germany to Russia that was halted Tuesday by the Germans in response to the Kremlin’s recognition of two separatist republics in Ukraine.]
Obviously, we’ll be able to tell more in hindsight. I think the problem with the left, in foreign policy, is they’re of this belief that diplomacy in and of itself works. I’m more of the belief that diplomacy with an adversary works when it’s backed by real threats. And I don’t know if they’ve done enough to put those on the table, but we’ll see.
As we speak, the broader Russian invasion of Ukraine may soon be under way. You recently tweeted that we must never allow an authoritarian like Putin to dictate which eastern European countries can democratize or join NATO. Is he afraid of democracy more than NATO? Is it a fear of democracy winning in his region?
I think that Putin’s biggest fear is losing power. He’s a smart guy. He knows that NATO has no desire to invade or attack Russia. His biggest fear is not the expansion of NATO. It’s that there are countries on his border that will show that democracy works. It can show an example like what happened during the Cold War, that his people will come to realize they can actually self-determine. And I think that’s his biggest fear—of what will come if Ukraine succeeds in turning westward or if Georgia succeeds in building a close relationship with the United States. Everything else is kind of a pretext for him.
How would you grade the Biden administration so far on how it’s pushing back against this aggression?
At the moment, it’s okay. There are certainly things I would do differently. I would not have been so clear that American troops would never intervene. At least keeping that as a gray area would have been itself a deterrent. I also would shut down Nord Stream 2, because Putin is using energy as a weapon. At the same time, it was fairly smart to put the intelligence out early that Russia would try to plant a false flag. All Russia has to do is create murkiness on Twitter, and that permeates. [Editor’s note: Nord Stream 2 is the natural gas pipeline linking Germany to Russia that was halted Tuesday by the Germans in response to the Kremlin’s recognition of two separatist republics in Ukraine.]
Obviously, we’ll be able to tell more in hindsight. I think the problem with the left, in foreign policy, is they’re of this belief that diplomacy in and of itself works. I’m more of the belief that diplomacy with an adversary works when it’s backed by real threats. And I don’t know if they’ve done enough to put those on the table, but we’ll see.
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This must be what you mean by Kinzinger pushing hard for WWIII. I see no post from him saying we need to declare war on Russia. I do think his no fly zone plan could definitely lead to WWIII if we did try to enforce a no fly zone with our military. That would lead to someone’s plane getting shot down and that would be considered an act of war and that could lead to WWIII.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) called for the U.S. to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine to give the country's military a "fair fight" against invading Russian forces.
https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war ... er-ukraine
I think Biden is handling this about as well as he can so far. This is definitely a very dangerous situation for the entire planet. It would be nice if Republicans weren’t attacking Biden 24/7 on this trying to score political points. After 9/11 Bush’s popularity soared with both parties. We used to unite when faced with threats from outside the country. Not today’s Republican party.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) called for the U.S. to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine to give the country's military a "fair fight" against invading Russian forces.
https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war ... er-ukraine
I think Biden is handling this about as well as he can so far. This is definitely a very dangerous situation for the entire planet. It would be nice if Republicans weren’t attacking Biden 24/7 on this trying to score political points. After 9/11 Bush’s popularity soared with both parties. We used to unite when faced with threats from outside the country. Not today’s Republican party.
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I don't get how a major political party can be "torn" over whether to supporting white supremacy or not.Nodack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:47 pmGOP torn as Greene speaks to far right amid ‘Putin!’ chants
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 0d022ac775
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders in Congress are torn over what to do with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene after the congresswoman spoke at a weekend event organized by a white nationalist who marveled over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the crowd erupted in chants of “Putin!”
It all shows the difficulty Republican leaders have combating the party’s drift toward Trump-style authoritarianism and embracing right-wing extremism.
“This may be a chance to burn out the cancer of the Republican Party — those that are, you know, Putin sympathetic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., a former military pilot who broke with his party over the Trump presidency.
But he worries that McCarthy and other GOP leaders will stop short of kicking Greene out of the party. “He won’t because she has power, let’s be honest, but I’m embarrassed by it.”
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Welcome to AmerikaIndy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:15 pmI don't get how a major political party can be "torn" over whether to supporting white supremacy or not.Nodack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:47 pmGOP torn as Greene speaks to far right amid ‘Putin!’ chants
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 0d022ac775
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders in Congress are torn over what to do with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene after the congresswoman spoke at a weekend event organized by a white nationalist who marveled over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the crowd erupted in chants of “Putin!”
It all shows the difficulty Republican leaders have combating the party’s drift toward Trump-style authoritarianism and embracing right-wing extremism.
“This may be a chance to burn out the cancer of the Republican Party — those that are, you know, Putin sympathetic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., a former military pilot who broke with his party over the Trump presidency.
But he worries that McCarthy and other GOP leaders will stop short of kicking Greene out of the party. “He won’t because she has power, let’s be honest, but I’m embarrassed by it.”
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Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 022-03-05/
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.
He called the sanctions a declaration of war and said he’s willing to destroy the world if we try a no fly zone. That is pretty threatening.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 022-03-05/
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.
He called the sanctions a declaration of war and said he’s willing to destroy the world if we try a no fly zone. That is pretty threatening.
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White House weighs three-way deal to get fighter jets to Ukraine
Poland wants to donate its old MiGs to Ukraine. But there’s a catch — it needs U.S. jets.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/0 ... e-00014424
Poland wants to donate its old MiGs to Ukraine. But there’s a catch — it needs U.S. jets.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/0 ... e-00014424
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Ukraine asking for international volunteers to help join the fight in Ukraine. American veterans are signing up. What’s the difference between an ex US Marine fighting in Ukraine as a volunteer and an active Marine fighting in Ukraine sent by Biden to Putin? How would Putin know the difference between them?
In WWII there were quite a few Americans fighting against Hitler for Britain in the RAF before America was in the war.
https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/o ... squadrons/
Under American law, it was illegal for United States citizens to join the armed forces of foreign nations. In doing so, they lost their citizenship, Eagle Squadron shoulder patch although Congress passed a blanket pardon in 1944. Even so, hundreds if not thousands of American citizens volunteered to fly with the Royal Air
5 times Americans left to fight in foreign wars
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-h ... eign-wars/
The Lafayette Escadrille was a squadron of American airmen who volunteered to fight for the French against Germany in the first world war in 1916 – almost a full year before the United States entered the war on the side of the Entente.
Kosciuszko Squadron – Polish-Soviet War
For three years, Poland fought Soviet Russia for control of parts of Eastern Poland and Ukraine. American volunteers, wary of the spread of Communism to the West, volunteered for the Polish Air Forces against the Soviets with notable successes — the Soviets put half-million ruble bounty on one aviator’s head.
Lincoln Battalion – Spanish Civil War
For the Americans, they joined what was known as the Abraham Lincoln brigades, an amalgamation of English-speaking British and American volunteers.
The Flying Tigers – WWII China
The Flying Tigers were formed from a bold group of Army, Navy, and Marine Corps airmen and placed under the command of a retired American general attached to the Chinese Air Force. Three squadrons of 90 aircraft trained in Burma well before the U.S. entry to World War II.
‘I Just Can’t Stand By’: American Veterans Join the Fight in Ukraine
All across the country, small groups of military veterans are hungry for what they see as a righteous fight to defend freedom against an autocratic aggressor.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/us/a ... ussia.html
American Veterans Volunteer to Fight in Ukraine
https://www.voanews.com/a/american-vete ... 70781.html
Ukraine Wants Foreign Reinforcements. Will American Civilians Fight?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... fight.html
WHAT FOREIGN VOLUNTEERS NEED TO KNOW TO FIGHT FOR UKRAINE
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/what-forei ... r-ukraine/
In WWII there were quite a few Americans fighting against Hitler for Britain in the RAF before America was in the war.
https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/o ... squadrons/
Under American law, it was illegal for United States citizens to join the armed forces of foreign nations. In doing so, they lost their citizenship, Eagle Squadron shoulder patch although Congress passed a blanket pardon in 1944. Even so, hundreds if not thousands of American citizens volunteered to fly with the Royal Air
5 times Americans left to fight in foreign wars
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-h ... eign-wars/
The Lafayette Escadrille was a squadron of American airmen who volunteered to fight for the French against Germany in the first world war in 1916 – almost a full year before the United States entered the war on the side of the Entente.
Kosciuszko Squadron – Polish-Soviet War
For three years, Poland fought Soviet Russia for control of parts of Eastern Poland and Ukraine. American volunteers, wary of the spread of Communism to the West, volunteered for the Polish Air Forces against the Soviets with notable successes — the Soviets put half-million ruble bounty on one aviator’s head.
Lincoln Battalion – Spanish Civil War
For the Americans, they joined what was known as the Abraham Lincoln brigades, an amalgamation of English-speaking British and American volunteers.
The Flying Tigers – WWII China
The Flying Tigers were formed from a bold group of Army, Navy, and Marine Corps airmen and placed under the command of a retired American general attached to the Chinese Air Force. Three squadrons of 90 aircraft trained in Burma well before the U.S. entry to World War II.
‘I Just Can’t Stand By’: American Veterans Join the Fight in Ukraine
All across the country, small groups of military veterans are hungry for what they see as a righteous fight to defend freedom against an autocratic aggressor.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/05/us/a ... ussia.html
American Veterans Volunteer to Fight in Ukraine
https://www.voanews.com/a/american-vete ... 70781.html
Ukraine Wants Foreign Reinforcements. Will American Civilians Fight?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... fight.html
WHAT FOREIGN VOLUNTEERS NEED TO KNOW TO FIGHT FOR UKRAINE
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/what-forei ... r-ukraine/
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I would suggest a documentary by Oliver Stone that came out in 2015-16 called Ukraine on Fire to get a bit more information on the history and nuance of what might be going on in Ukraine. Of course, it doesn't give everything happening right now or what has happened since, but it give you some understanding of the history.
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Yes, you should always listen to Putin when you are you looking for facts.
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I'm sorry, what are you going on about?
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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We should always listen to the Ukrainian MPs when you are looking for facts.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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You continually look for every reason to defend this war from Putin's perspective. It is very weird.
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I'm actually not, but every time you think me pointing out obvious propaganda is me defending the war from Putin's perspective, what does that say about you? You have nothing but come with ad hominin attacks. That's not weird what you are doing, it's what a dishonest and immoral person would do.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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BTW, according to Indy, anyone that is stating anything other than the party line is in fact defending Putin, just like this young French journalist. But I get it, like most people, the world is so much easier to understand if you can simplify it to the lowest common denominator and declare "Orange Man, Bad! Putin man, Bad!" That makes sense to people, one point of evil to focus on, and everything to the contrary just hits hard against cognitive dissonance. When it hits hard enough, emotions and anger come and lash out. That's scary to see.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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Police officers in Moscow today are stopping people, demanding to see their phones, reading their messages, and refusing to release them if they refuse. This from Kommersant journalist Ana Vasilyeva.
https://v.redd.it/plbf05exrxl81
https://v.redd.it/plbf05exrxl81
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