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Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:59 pm
by TOO
INFORMER wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:56 pm
TOO wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:54 pm
I think he's got some Al Jefferson to him, seems like he can get by just knowing how to play, but his desire leaves everything to be desired and I don't know if you can learn that.
Another great comp. Where is the lack of desire knocks coming from? I haven't seen that from what I've seen of him.
For me it's because he's like 25% body fat(hyperbole). He's got a great frame, but he's got a long way to go to get into NBA shape.

He's already 20 and hasn't changed physically at Maryland, so that concerns me.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:36 pm
by JeremyG

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:40 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:36 pm
No more generators in that young man's life.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:42 am
by ShelC
Article with draft grades from around the interwebs. Mostly A's for the draft tho I do agree with the criticism that Brea might've been a bit of a reach at 41 but that's splitting hairs.

https://arizonasports.com/nba/phoenix-s ... g/3588432/

https://www.nbadraft.net/2025-nba-draft ... -analysis/

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:56 am
by TOO
Superbone wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:40 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:36 pm
No more generators in that young man's life.
Or he can get into the generator business and sell them by the truck load.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:56 pm
by JeremyG

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:11 am
by ShelC
Here's Sam Vecenie's grade for the Suns' draft night from The Athletic. Gave us a B- and shares a lot of the same concerns I and some others had around Maluach and Williams.

Spoiler: show/hide

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:35 am
by Ring_Wanted
B for Maluach - fine with him but I don't think I would have passed on Bryant.

A+ for Fleming - for a long time I was thinking about scenarios that allowed the Suns to jump from #29 to the high 20s to pick him. Acquiring him at the top of the second round, after trading #29, is a move I would have never thought a Suns FO would be able to pull off.

C- for trading for Williams once you know you have Maluach.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:31 am
by O_Gardino
I really don't see the concern with having both Williams and Maluach. If they are somehow both ready to play 30 every night, the Suns can trade Williams for at least what they paid for him. Be honest - what are the chances both are ready and healthy?

I also like having multiple young and talented big men in practice. They can push each other and learn from each other.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:38 am
by Split T
I don’t have a problem with having both of them…for me it was just using basically all of our available assets to acquire 2 5s that at the moment can’t play together.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:42 am
by Ring_Wanted
Split T wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:38 am
I don’t have a problem with having both of them…for me it was just using basically all of our available assets to acquire 2 5s that at the moment can’t play together.
Uhh... and that's not a concern? Also considering the need to pay Williams if he actually delivers.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:44 am
by Split T
Ring_Wanted wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:42 am
Split T wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:38 am
I don’t have a problem with having both of them…for me it was just using basically all of our available assets to acquire 2 5s that at the moment can’t play together.
Uhh... and that's not a concern? Also considering the need to pay Williams if he actually delivers.
Sorry I wasn’t clear…that is my concern. Having them isn’t a concern…spending all our assets to fill one position when we had multiple needs is a concern.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:49 am
by Ring_Wanted
Split T wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:44 am
Ring_Wanted wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:42 am
Split T wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:38 am
I don’t have a problem with having both of them…for me it was just using basically all of our available assets to acquire 2 5s that at the moment can’t play together.
Uhh... and that's not a concern? Also considering the need to pay Williams if he actually delivers.
Sorry I wasn’t clear…that is my concern. Having them isn’t a concern…spending all our assets to fill one position when we had multiple needs is a concern.
Ah agreed then. That's basically my stance. Give me either Williams+Bryant (insert your alternative here for #10), or Maluach+assets+better cap flexibility.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
by Mori Chu
The problem isn't really about Williams as a player. He seems pretty good actually. It's more about the situation and asset management. We are already over the 2nd apron, and we have almost no usable or tradeable draft picks left for years to come. So we trade 2 of them for a 1-year rental of a center, when we already have 2-3 centers on the roster and just spent our 1st rounder on a center? Our one and only 1st round draft pick we got from trading KD, the only 1st round draft asset we have to show for mortgaging a decade worth of our future to get a failed Big 3?

If Williams is so great, you have to ask yourself why Charlotte was so eager to trade him not once but twice. I think they can tell that he is unable to stay healthy and therefore is not a good risk to give him a big contract. But now we'll be pot-committed having spent two 1sts to acquire him, so we'll be strongly tempted to re-sign him. Meanwhile we have three other centers, all of whom have various talent and potential (Williams, Richards, Oso), all blocking our newly drafted rookie from ever getting to see the floor.

This just isn't the way smart people manage a professional basketball team. They squander draft picks left and right. The moment we get a few picks back, they burn a hole in the GM and owner's pockets and they toss them out as candy in their next misbegotten trade. We aren't even good any more! Why mortgage the future when our present team is so bad? Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?
You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:22 am
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?
You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.
Me too! I can see it! :P

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:24 am
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?
You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.
Me too! I can see it! :P
Good on you! When I see Al now, I know what to expect.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:28 am
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:24 am
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?
You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.
Me too! I can see it! :P
Good on you!
I guess you could say that Mori and I are “aligned.”

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:29 am
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:28 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:24 am
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:53 am
Can't they see that we should be doing everything we can to build for the next era of the team, the next version of the Suns? That this version is fatally doomed?
You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.
Me too! I can see it! :P
Good on you!
I guess you could say that Mori and I are “aligned.”
Have fun together.

Re: 2025 NBA Draft

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:40 am
by TOO
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:29 am
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:28 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:24 am
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:22 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 11:09 am


You are a real bummer lately, man. Apparently, only you can see the extreme depths of our despair.
Me too! I can see it! :P
Good on you!
I guess you could say that Mori and I are “aligned.”
Have fun together.
Have fun making out in the pit of infinite sadness.