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Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:33 pm
by Superbone
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:02 pm
BookTheGoat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:30 am
Shabazz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:59 pm
Assist to turnover ratio is currently the most overrated stat on this board. What is Steph Curry’s A:TO ratio?
Some PGs have a strong A:TO ratio because they can’t be trusted to run an offense. Not because they can.
Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. He’s not a pure point so that’s kind of a weird point.
Nor do they run a traditional offense.
I’m just saying it’s being overused as a stat. Tyus Jones has always had a great A:TO. There’s also a reason he doesn’t start over Jeff Teague.
Because the Timberwolves are tanking?
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:00 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:02 pm
I’m just saying it’s being overused as a stat. Tyus Jones has always had a great A:TO. There’s also a reason he doesn’t start over Jeff Teague.
Kevin Johnson didn't start over Mark Price, and Steve Nash didn't start over Jason Kidd.
Tyus Jones looked great starting when Teague was injured. Teague starts because he is a veteran making $19 million a year.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:02 pm
by INFORMER
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:00 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:54 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:48 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:48 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:13 pm
Indy also gave up a first rounder and 2 seconds to get Brogdon.
Too rich for my blood.
Doesn't matter. They got their guy and looking around at the deals some other players got, it's actually a good proposition at $21.5M per. I would have loved it if Jones was able to pull it off.
I don't blame the Suns for not getting Brogdon. I could live with the salary, but investing that money in him AND giving up 3 draft picks is a non-starter for me.
Can't agree on this one. Two seconds is neglible in this context and the lotto protected 1stR pick is not a price that would keep me from adding a pice I value this highly. You tell me before the offseason that I can get Brogdon per under the max ($6M per/$32M overall), for the price of the MIL pick, #32 and another second round, and I can't say yes fast enough.
IND did very well, in my opinion.
Good point. I hadn't heard about the protection on the first rounder. I also forgot that they flipped the pick we sent them and turned it into three second rounders. So yeah, Indiana did well.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 pm
by Shabazz
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:00 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:02 pm
I’m just saying it’s being overused as a stat. Tyus Jones has always had a great A:TO. There’s also a reason he doesn’t start over Jeff Teague.
Kevin Johnson didn't start over Mark Price, and Steve Nash didn't start over Jason Kidd.
Tyus Jones looked great starting when Teague was injured. Teague starts because he is a veteran making $19 million a year.
Let's just keep glossing over my point. Here's the NBA's top 30 in assist to turnover ratio. It's a veritable who's-who of the NBA's best PGs.
1 Tyus Jones Minnesota Timberwolves PG 7.0
2 Monte Morris Denver Nuggets PG 5.7
3 Ryan Arcidiacono Chicago Bulls PG 4.3
4 Andre Iguodala Golden State Warriors SF 4.1
5 Cory Joseph Indiana Pacers PG 4.1
6 Devonte' Graham Charlotte Hornets PG 4.0
7 Jerryd Bayless Minnesota Timberwolves PG 3.7
8 Fred VanVleet Toronto Raptors PG 3.6
9 Jeff Teague Minnesota Timberwolves PG 3.5
10 Darren Collison Indiana Pacers PG 3.5
11 Mike Conley Memphis Grizzlies PG 3.5
12 Patrick Beverley LA Clippers PG 3.5
13 Jose Calderon Detroit Pistons PG 3.4
14 Yogi Ferrell Sacramento Kings PG 3.4
15 Langston Galloway Detroit Pistons SG 3.4
16 Pat Connaughton Milwaukee Bucks SG 3.4
17 Ish Smith Detroit Pistons PG 3.3
18 Tomas Satoransky Washington Wizards SG 3.3
19 Justin Jackson Dallas Mavericks SF 3.3
20 D.J. Augustin Orlando Magic PG 3.3
21 Tim Frazier Milwaukee Bucks PG 3.3
22 Trey Burke Dallas Mavericks PG 3.2
23 Delon Wright Memphis Grizzlies PG 3.2
24 Terry Rozier Boston Celtics PG 3.2
25 Shaun Livingston Golden State Warriors PG 3.2
26 George Hill Milwaukee Bucks PG 3.1
27 Kyle Lowry Toronto Raptors PG 3.1
28 Jerian Grant Orlando Magic PG 3.1
29 J.J. Barea Dallas Mavericks PG 2.9
30 T.J. McConnell Philadelphia 76ers PG 2.9
It's a stat that highlights effective backup PGs, but usually doesn't hold up to higher usage rates and/or bigger roles initiating an offense.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:59 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:01 am
by Ring_Wanted
That should be the default kit, btw. Insanely elegant and clean. Been looking to buy Booker's but nowhere to be found...
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:47 am
by Superbone
Very close to the original jerseys.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:11 am
by Vladimir_Taltos
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:26 am
by The Bobster
I would prefer these, with a minor tweak to the numbers to make them similar to the western font -
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:26 pm
by INFORMER
I'm hoping that third year of Rubio's deal is a team option or non-guaranteed.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:06 am
by Ring_Wanted
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:26 pm
I'm hoping that third year of Rubio's deal is a team option or non-guaranteed.
Nothing reported in that regard. And honestly, I don't see the FO having the ability to negotiate in such a favorable way for PHX. Btw, did you know Rubio had a bonus in his last contract that paid him 75k more if he got to
40% FG?
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:13 am
by SDC
rubio can be a good spot up shooter.
what he sucks at is finishing around the rim and off dribble jumpshots. he lacks nba level athleticism.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:50 am
by INFORMER
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:06 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:26 pm
I'm hoping that third year of Rubio's deal is a team option or non-guaranteed.
Nothing reported in that regard. And honestly, I don't see the FO having the ability to negotiate in such a favorable way for PHX. Btw, did you know Rubio had a bonus in his last contract that paid him 75k more if he got to
40% FG?
That's a smart bonus.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:26 pm
by JeremyG
Rubio was officially signed today.
Why no announcement from the Suns???
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:31 pm
by JeremyG
They saw my post lol.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:32 pm
by JeremyG
https://www.nba.com/suns/press-release/ ... icky-rubio
According to the press release Rubio is one of the top 5 point guards in NBA history.
Magic, Stockton, Kidd, Paul, and Rubio.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:56 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
He was wearing #2 in that first photo, but he's holding up #11 in the most recent. Weird.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:12 pm
by AmareIsGod
Specifically:
Rubio is one of just five players to rank in the top 20 in NBA history in both assists and steals per game, joined by current or future Hall of Fame point guards Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, John Stockton and Chris Paul. He holds career averages of 11.1 points, 7.7 assists, 4.2 rebounds and 1.93 steals in eight NBA seasons with Minnesota and Utah.
Not sure it reads exactly the way you read it.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 pm
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:12 pm
Specifically:
Rubio is one of just five players to rank in the top 20 in NBA history in both assists and steals per game, joined by current or future Hall of Fame point guards Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, John Stockton and Chris Paul. He holds career averages of 11.1 points, 7.7 assists, 4.2 rebounds and 1.93 steals in eight NBA seasons with Minnesota and Utah.
Not sure it reads exactly the way you read it.
I was just having some fun with it, but you could almost read that as them wanting to say he’s one of the top 5 two-way point guards of all time.
Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 pm
by AmareIsGod
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:12 pm
Specifically:
Rubio is one of just five players to rank in the top 20 in NBA history in both assists and steals per game, joined by current or future Hall of Fame point guards Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, John Stockton and Chris Paul. He holds career averages of 11.1 points, 7.7 assists, 4.2 rebounds and 1.93 steals in eight NBA seasons with Minnesota and Utah.
Not sure it reads exactly the way you read it.
I was just having some fun with it, but you could almost read that as them wanting to say he’s one of the top 5 two-way point guards of all time.
I hear you. It definitely reads with some hype.
