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Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:24 pm
by Superbone
ShelC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:44 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:28 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:24 pm
Dario stepped in as starting center and had another solid game with 16 and 9 on 7-12 FGs. Hit a 3, worked inside, had a few nice drives. Just plays hard and smart, works well with starters or bench guys. It'd be tough to not see him back next season.
Do you need to go back and watch the first 60 games of the season?
If he's found his role and niche in the league as a 4/5 off the bench, I'm all for bringing him back.
Let's just hope he's not a contract year player.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:16 pm
by Superbone
You’ve got to give credit to OKC for giving us a scare for a quarter and a half while missing so many players. Paul was as tough as ever and it seemed like they couldn’t miss from three to start out.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:11 pm
by Split T
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:13 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:58 pm
Ya I’m sold on Carter. He should be back next year.
Don't be that easy.
Well I should clarify that I still see him as a 10th/11th man. Not as our primary backup 2 guard. I’d still like to look to add someone there.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:23 pm
by Shabazz
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:53 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:44 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:28 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:24 pm
Dario stepped in as starting center and had another solid game with 16 and 9 on 7-12 FGs. Hit a 3, worked inside, had a few nice drives. Just plays hard and smart, works well with starters or bench guys. It'd be tough to not see him back next season.
Do you need to go back and watch the first 60 games of the season?
If he's found his role and niche in the league as a 4/5 off the bench, I'm all for bringing him back.
It's a dangerous thing to make personnel decisions based on a handful of games.
It's called the Jerome James Principle.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30 pm
by Shabazz
I'd like to retain Carter, but I wouldn't spend all that much. If he leaves, it'll be a shame, but
1. We have Payne as a backup/3rd string. We also have Jerome under contract and I think it's an either/or with him and Carter.
2. There will be players available at either #10 or #15 who should represent an upgrade on a cost-controlled long term agreement.
3. There will be better players available for cheap in free agency, think MCW, Dunn, Augustin and a few others.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:22 pm
by INFORMER
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:11 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:13 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:58 pm
Ya I’m sold on Carter. He should be back next year.
Don't be that easy.
Well I should clarify that I still see him as a 10th/11th man. Not as our primary backup 2 guard. I’d still like to look to add someone there.
Got it. That's reasonable.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:29 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30 pm
We also have Jerome under contract and I think it's an either/or with him and Carter.
He should be included in any trade involving the 10th/15th pick to move up or down in the draft.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:19 am
by Ring_Wanted
Jerome could actually substract value in a trade. Why would anyone want to pay 2M for a guy who clearly doesn't belong?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:51 am
by Wally_West
Do the Suns have to resign Jevon Carter for next year? I thought he had one more year on his rookie deal?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:41 am
by ShelC
Nah he's an UFA.
Jevon Carter signed a 2 year / $2,255,316 contract with the Memphis Grizzlies, including $2,255,316 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,127,658. In 2019-20, Carter will earn a base salary of $1,416,852, while carrying a cap hit of $1,416,852 and a dead cap value of $1,416,852.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-sun ... ter-26998/
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:50 am
by ShelC
Book from another state
I used to be Jevon Carter. Not anymore
Good reaction on this play, can't remember seeing this before
Monty quotes on DA missing his test
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:11 am
by Indy
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I'd like to retain Carter, but I wouldn't spend all that much. If he leaves, it'll be a shame, but
1. We have Payne as a backup/3rd string. We also have Jerome under contract and I think it's an either/or with him and Carter.
2. There will be players available at either #10 or #15 who should represent an upgrade on a cost-controlled long term agreement.
3. There will be better players available for cheap in free agency, think MCW, Dunn, Augustin and a few others.
I hope our little run here will help attract some FAs in that range. But I do think it will be hard to find a better defender/bull dog at the 3rd string SG spot that also shoots +40% from 3. (Even if you assume he is playing a bit above his future expectation, and *falls* back down to 38%)
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:17 am
by jonh
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:11 am
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I'd like to retain Carter, but I wouldn't spend all that much. If he leaves, it'll be a shame, but
1. We have Payne as a backup/3rd string. We also have Jerome under contract and I think it's an either/or with him and Carter.
2. There will be players available at either #10 or #15 who should represent an upgrade on a cost-controlled long term agreement.
3. There will be better players available for cheap in free agency, think MCW, Dunn, Augustin and a few others.
I hope our little run here will help attract some FAs in that range. But I do think it will be hard to find a better defender/bull dog at the 3rd string SG spot that also shoots +40% from 3. (Even if you assume he is playing a bit above his future expectation, and *falls* back down to 38%)
I really like Carter, and I think it might be hard to find a FA in that range that would be a significant upgrade from what he brings. I also really like the idea of trying to keep continuity with this current group high, at least at the beginning of next season. If there is a band of brothers feel to the team, I would try to add one really quality piece at PF, and try to keep most of the rest of the guys together.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:24 am
by Split T
Jerami Grant and Tyrese Haliburton is where I’m leaning. Nesmith/Vassell if haliburton isn’t there.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:44 am
by ShelC
jonh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:17 am
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:11 am
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I'd like to retain Carter, but I wouldn't spend all that much. If he leaves, it'll be a shame, but
1. We have Payne as a backup/3rd string. We also have Jerome under contract and I think it's an either/or with him and Carter.
2. There will be players available at either #10 or #15 who should represent an upgrade on a cost-controlled long term agreement.
3. There will be better players available for cheap in free agency, think MCW, Dunn, Augustin and a few others.
I hope our little run here will help attract some FAs in that range. But I do think it will be hard to find a better defender/bull dog at the 3rd string SG spot that also shoots +40% from 3. (Even if you assume he is playing a bit above his future expectation, and *falls* back down to 38%)
I really like Carter, and I think it might be hard to find a FA in that range that would be a significant upgrade from what he brings. I also really like the idea of trying to keep continuity with this current group high, at least at the beginning of next season. If there is a band of brothers feel to the team, I would try to add one really quality piece at PF, and try to keep most of the rest of the guys together.
Agreed all around. Not a lot of guys play as hard for every minute at Carter. It's a game changer even in spurts and he's not hitting shots. Not a main backup, not a 20mpg SG but a situational 4th/5th guard. And continuity shouldn't be discounted either. Hard to keep finding guys who know and accept whatever role it is they have. Monty's built that up this season.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:26 am
by Nodack
It’s amazing how a players stock can elevate in a short time. Carter did not receive nearly this much love throughout the season.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:29 am
by O_Gardino
Part of the reason Carter and Saric look better is that they aren't playing with Okobo or Jerome. Payne has been a HUGE upgrade, and he takes a lot of pressure off the other guys.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:37 am
by Nodack
Payne has been great! I love his attitude.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:40 am
by Nodack
Watching the third stringers play in the fourth quarter yesterday was pretty painful to watch. Having a huge lead and us having a game today was the only reason they were out there.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-39) vs Thunder (43-26), Mon 8/10/20
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:03 am
by Indy
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:40 am
Watching the third stringers play in the fourth quarter yesterday was pretty painful to watch. Having a huge lead and us having a game today was the only reason they were out there.
Jerome is so far from an NBA player right now it isn't funny (especially considering we gave him 2 year guaranteed contract).