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Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pm
by Split T
That would have to be a sign and trade which we can’t do
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:47 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pm
That would have to be a sign and trade which we can’t do
Um, he couldn't agree to sign for less now and as his top line increases we top it later? Mmmm, no, the league couldn't stop him from agreeing to lesser money with some belief we'd make it up to him at some future date. By contract, no...of course...but if he wanted to take the risk, he could. There would be no way to get a contract or guarantee...that would be the nature of the beast.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:51 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
So you're advocating for salary cap violations that would be tremendously easy to uncover?
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:00 pm
by JeremyG
You mean what Jerry did with Manning?
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:07 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
Its doable...its up to Kyle being to willing that ultimately trust he'd get his due. The Padre is right, that was exactly what we did w/Danny...which was in potential the best team we ever had until Frankenstein Joe decided to trash his other knee...still makes me sick.
VT
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:26 pm
by Split T
He’d have to sign for the minimum and play at that for two years. Year 3 we could get him to mid level range. Then year 4 we could pay him whatever.
It’d be easier for him to sign with another team and demand a trade here. I also don’t really want Kuzma anymore. He doesn’t make much sense with Beal on board.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:29 pm
by TOO
Nope, Suns need some grit now, a guy like Steven Adams would be ideal. Even Jae could be useful.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:37 pm
by Split T
DA for Steven Adams and Tyus Jones. Send it in
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
by JeremyG
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:50 pm
by Drewsprocket
Adams will get played off the floor in the 4th due his ft%.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:18 pm
by Shabazz
I don't think Adams is the answer either.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:20 pm
by pickle
We are not allowed to sign and trade for players anymore?
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:23 pm
by Split T
No, that hard caps you at the 1st apron(169ish million). We are well over that(or will be with a full roster) so any sign and trade would be illegal
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:18 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
I agree that that is a horrible trade.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:06 am
by JeremyG
Who would ever have guessed that we would trade Trevor Ariza to the Wizards…and end up with Bradley Beal?
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:48 am
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:06 am
Who would ever have guessed that we would trade Trevor Ariza to the Wizards…and end up with Bradley Beal?
It's all about the long game, man.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:54 am
by INFORMER
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
I don't understand why you make comparisons like this Jeremy. First of all, if you're getting Tyus Jones in the deal, it isn't just about comparing Ayton to Adams. Secondly, Adams isn't a max player; Ayton gets paid the max. Third, Adams has a completely different skillset: he is an enforcer, a dirtworker, and a solid passer.
And I am not even advocating for the deal. Your response just doesn't really make sense.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:19 am
by JeremyG
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:54 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
I don't understand why you make comparisons like this Jeremy. First of all, if you're getting Tyus Jones in the deal, it isn't just about comparing Ayton to Adams. Secondly, Adams isn't a max player; Ayton gets paid the max. Third, Adams has a completely different skillset: he is an enforcer, a dirtworker, and a solid passer.
And I am not even advocating for the deal. Your response just doesn't really make sense.
Simple. I’m not looking to downgrade our center. And I don’t think Vogel is either.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:24 am
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:54 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
I don't understand why you make comparisons like this Jeremy. First of all, if you're getting Tyus Jones in the deal, it isn't just about comparing Ayton to Adams. Secondly, Adams isn't a max player; Ayton gets paid the max. Third, Adams has a completely different skillset: he is an enforcer, a dirtworker, and a solid passer.
And I am not even advocating for the deal. Your response just doesn't really make sense.
Deaf ears man.
Re: Suns Trade For Beal!
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:26 am
by INFORMER
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:19 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:54 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Adams averaged 3.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in the playoffs last year. And you all thought Ayton underperformed?
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if Ayton had a stat line like this in game 1 of the playoffs? 24 minutes, 0 points, 3 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 4 fouls in a 13-point loss.
I don't understand why you make comparisons like this Jeremy. First of all, if you're getting Tyus Jones in the deal, it isn't just about comparing Ayton to Adams. Secondly, Adams isn't a max player; Ayton gets paid the max. Third, Adams has a completely different skillset: he is an enforcer, a dirtworker, and a solid passer.
And I am not even advocating for the deal. Your response just doesn't really make sense.
Simple. I’m not looking to downgrade our center. And I don’t think Vogel is either.
Vogel wants the best team possible. He isn't playing fantasy basketball and only looking to replace Ayton with someone who averages more than 18/10.
And Vogel isn't the GM. Jones has never approached trades or even drafting based solely on stats or a one-to-one comparison.