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Yeah, just ridiculous. It’s make the call even more fucking stupid. They pissed their pants and now pretending they’re pants are completely dry.
We started practically 4 fucking guards (KD has skillset of a SG) and couldn’t take care of the ball. Vogel thought it would add up to great offense. Lakers size disrupted our guys on the floor. I think he has to just match up size and toughness. KBD has to start these games- the plus side on him is he can be a secondary screener and he doesn’t shy away from shots even when he gets chased off the 3pt line. Otherwise we just get beaten up.Furlanfufi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pmI don't like how we're playing. I just said enough times we should be running more, our role players don't know what to and are afraid to shoot open 3s.
lol
I don't think we need to match up their size, but we ABSOLUTELY can't play without size and try to win playing halfcourt sets.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:13 amWe started practically 4 fucking guards (KD has skillset of a SG) and couldn’t take care of the ball. Vogel thought it would add up to great offense. Lakers size disrupted our guys on the floor. I think he has to just match up size and toughness. KBD has to start these games- the plus side on him is he can be a secondary screener and he doesn’t shy away from shots even when he gets chased off the 3pt line. Otherwise we just get beaten up.Furlanfufi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pmI don't like how we're playing. I just said enough times we should be running more, our role players don't know what to and are afraid to shoot open 3s.
Yep, that was a clear flagrant that wasn’t even reviewed. Bad reffing.
That ball was pinned to his leg for as long as a ball being dribbled is pinned to the floor.Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:02 amYeah, just ridiculous. It’s make the call even more fucking stupid. They pissed their pants and now pretending they’re pants are completely dry.
Reddish was a fucking parody of good defense. Dude was out hacking the fuck outta people. Check the no call when he called all ball on Nurk and never even touched- it in addition to the flagrant on Book.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:46 amTourney game with playoff-like atmosphere against LeBron and the Lakers? Gotta expect the refs to pull some kinda sh*t. Generally don't care about the tourney, wanted to see us matchup against a full Lakers squad and last night was what I was afraid of. Lakers might not be a great team but they're a terrible matchup for us. Too much size and length that can defend on the perimeter and disrupt what we do. They expose us as a smaller, less athletic, under-the-rim team. We can't physically matchup and they took Book out of the offense by hounding him with guys like Prince, Vandy and Reddish. By doing that, not only couldn't he get his own offense going, he had trouble getting others involved. The Lakers' defense was really good. The length and speed to close off dribble penetration and still recover out to the shooters. It was only a matter of time before the TOs caught up to us. The silver lining is that despite the TOs and 20 fewer shots, we never let go of the rope and had a chance to pull it out.
The Lakers keyed in on KD too but he stepped up and was hitting tough shots all night. Allen kept us in with his 3pt shooting but EG was pretty non-existent. I think he needs to work with the 2nd unit as a 1st or 2nd option. He and Allen are also too small together on the perimeter against this kind of team. Okogie and Goodwin are either too small or aren't good enough offensively. Little is the kind of longer wing who can be effective but just isn't there yet. But even he's still only about 6-5. KBD doesn't seem to want to shoot and looks/plays small. Eubanks was also overmatched. We'd be better off playing faster and shooting 3s than slowing down into the halfcourt where Allen and EG can be defended on the perimeter.
The 2nd half was better as the offense loosened up and the Lakers defense dropped off. We just couldn't get over that hump again, which is kind of becoming a habit. I do agree we don't have an identity yet but I'm not ready blame Vogel or put him on any hot seat. I think we could be playing faster, running and gunning but Book is usually the one slowing things down. We need to find a balance there. And while I certainly wouldn't rebuild the roster specifically for the Lakers, I think we do need a bigger 4/3 kind of swing.
Yeah, for some reason Reddish could maul people out there without getting a whistle. Meanwhile, Book and KD are in foul trouble the whole game.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:28 amReddish was a fucking parody of good defense. Dude was out hacking the fuck outta people. Check the no call when he called all ball on Nurk and never even touched- it in addition to the flagrant on Book.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:46 amTourney game with playoff-like atmosphere against LeBron and the Lakers? Gotta expect the refs to pull some kinda sh*t. Generally don't care about the tourney, wanted to see us matchup against a full Lakers squad and last night was what I was afraid of. Lakers might not be a great team but they're a terrible matchup for us. Too much size and length that can defend on the perimeter and disrupt what we do. They expose us as a smaller, less athletic, under-the-rim team. We can't physically matchup and they took Book out of the offense by hounding him with guys like Prince, Vandy and Reddish. By doing that, not only couldn't he get his own offense going, he had trouble getting others involved. The Lakers' defense was really good. The length and speed to close off dribble penetration and still recover out to the shooters. It was only a matter of time before the TOs caught up to us. The silver lining is that despite the TOs and 20 fewer shots, we never let go of the rope and had a chance to pull it out.
The Lakers keyed in on KD too but he stepped up and was hitting tough shots all night. Allen kept us in with his 3pt shooting but EG was pretty non-existent. I think he needs to work with the 2nd unit as a 1st or 2nd option. He and Allen are also too small together on the perimeter against this kind of team. Okogie and Goodwin are either too small or aren't good enough offensively. Little is the kind of longer wing who can be effective but just isn't there yet. But even he's still only about 6-5. KBD doesn't seem to want to shoot and looks/plays small. Eubanks was also overmatched. We'd be better off playing faster and shooting 3s than slowing down into the halfcourt where Allen and EG can be defended on the perimeter.
The 2nd half was better as the offense loosened up and the Lakers defense dropped off. We just couldn't get over that hump again, which is kind of becoming a habit. I do agree we don't have an identity yet but I'm not ready blame Vogel or put him on any hot seat. I think we could be playing faster, running and gunning but Book is usually the one slowing things down. We need to find a balance there. And while I certainly wouldn't rebuild the roster specifically for the Lakers, I think we do need a bigger 4/3 kind of swing.
But I do put more blame on Suns than anything. There were too many self inflicted TOs to start with: Book lost the ball driving to the cup, steals making careless passes across the court, Vogel needs to start KBD alongside Nurk to help box out.
There were several times where role players needed to take a middy with the shot clock down and passed instead.
Yes, at PF and move Durant back to SF.