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Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:23 pm
by Cap
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:39 pm
I meant in a fantasy world where we didn't have to match the salaries for cap purposes and could just trade player-for-player.
You think that would improve the team, or you just want to save money?

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:30 pm
by SunsRIt
I think this max contract talk about Ayton’s deal is a problem. Yes it’s a max contract, but it’s “only” $30 million a year. We just saw Jalen Brown sign a contract that will pay him over $60 million per year. When Ayton signed the contract it may have been too much, but it’s starting to look like a bargain.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:47 pm
by Split T
Fair point…though it’s 34 million a year left for Ayton and 57 million a year for Brown. Ayton will make 34 and 36 during Browns first two years at 49/53. So 15-17 million a year more. It’s not double and I still wouldn’t call it a bargain. Not if Ayton plays like he did last year.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:54 pm
by SunsRIt
Split T wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:47 pm
Fair point…though it’s 34 million a year left for Ayton and 57 million a year for Brown. Ayton will make 34 and 36 during Browns first two years at 49/53. So 15-17 million a year more. It’s not double and I still wouldn’t call it a bargain. Not if Ayton plays like he did last year.
It’s just semantics, but a 5 year, $303.7 million contract has to mean he is making $60 per year at some point.

I looked it up and got this from ESPN:
“Brown averaged career bests of 26.6 points and 49% shooting last season. He will make $31.8 million next season in the final year of his previous deal.

Brown is slated to make $52.3 million when the contract kicks in during the 2024-25 season and $69.1 million in 2028-29, the final year of the deal.”

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:08 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
The same argument can be be made down the line when "player x" (SGA?) is making almost twice as much as Brown. It's just how the CBA and salary cap are structured.

The issue with Ayton's contract has always been value based. At least with someone like Brown there are literal achievements he had to obtain to be offered his upcoming salary.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:37 am
by Split T
SunsRIt wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:54 pm
Split T wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:47 pm
Fair point…though it’s 34 million a year left for Ayton and 57 million a year for Brown. Ayton will make 34 and 36 during Browns first two years at 49/53. So 15-17 million a year more. It’s not double and I still wouldn’t call it a bargain. Not if Ayton plays like he did last year.
It’s just semantics, but a 5 year, $303.7 million contract has to mean he is making $60 per year at some point.

I looked it up and got this from ESPN:
“Brown averaged career bests of 26.6 points and 49% shooting last season. He will make $31.8 million next season in the final year of his previous deal.

Brown is slated to make $52.3 million when the contract kicks in during the 2024-25 season and $69.1 million in 2028-29, the final year of the deal.”
Ya he’ll go over 60 the last two years of the deal…it still depends a little on where the cap falls in 2024-25. That will decide the starting number. But yes, the deal won’t look bad if Ayton plays like he’s capable of. My worry is he repeats last year. Just gotta hope his relationship with Monty was the reason he was generally uninterested last year.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:03 am
by Superbone
What does everybody think of this statement by Ayton? Is it a slam on his Suns teammates? Or is he just exuberant in the moment while representing his country?


Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:09 am
by In2ition
Just exuberant. It's different when you represent your home country vs some professional team away from home.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:18 pm
by JeremyG
Either way, at least we know he likes one of his Suns teammates. :P

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:33 am
by Gladiator
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere or before but came across this interesting discussion with Garnett and Paul Pierce about the Suns and Ayton in particular:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJa1lFx5Y ... QgcGllcmNl

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:51 am
by Kryptonic
Gladiator wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:33 am
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere or before but came across this interesting discussion with Garnett and Paul Pierce about the Suns and Ayton in particular:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJa1lFx5Y ... QgcGllcmNl
No apologies needed… it’s already been posted in this thread probably back 10 pages.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:27 am
by JeremyG


I love how Jock tells Gerald at the end: "Take it easy on my guy DA this year. Looks like he's had a good offseason."

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:50 pm
by Gladiator
Kryptonic wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:51 am
Gladiator wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:33 am
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere or before but came across this interesting discussion with Garnett and Paul Pierce about the Suns and Ayton in particular:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJa1lFx5Y ... QgcGllcmNl
No apologies needed… it’s already been posted in this thread probably back 10 pages.
Thanks, it’s hard to keep up lol

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:28 am
by JeremyG


Is KG’s take still crazy?

What a “DPOY”—his team gives up 113 points in 40 minutes lol.

Meanwhile, Ayton leads his country to a tournament championship with 21 rebounds in the final alone, and gets put down for it. :lol:

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:27 am
by Split T
Who put down Ayton for getting 21 rebounds?

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:36 am
by Kryptonic
Split T wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:27 am
Who put down Ayton for getting 21 rebounds?
???

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:26 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:27 am
Who put down Ayton for getting 21 rebounds?
Maybe it was just ‘Sauce lol. viewtopic.php?p=291525#p291525

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:09 pm
by specialsauce
Woop de doo. He got 21 rebounds against a bunch of nobodies. Average more than 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs as a max salary center please.

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:41 am
by Vladimir_Taltos
Avg more like 4.5 FTAs per game please!!!! or preferably 5.5...he's 7'/250# and getS less FTAs than 75 other players...soft!

Re: All Things Ayton

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:59 am
by Kryptonic
Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:41 am
Avg more like 4.5 FTAs per game please!!!! or preferably 5.5...he's 7'/250# and getS less FTAs than 75 other players...soft!
Maybe he’s holding out till he signs his endorsement deal with “soft n gentle”…. 😉