Russia/Ukraine

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Didn’t the colonists have an agreement with England to be their loyal subjects, pay taxes to England and agree to be ruled and abide by their laws? Didn’t the colonists break that agreement? Doesn’t that make our whole existence null and void because we broke that agreement?

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Maria Baronova fears ‘we’re on the brink of a nuclear war’ after quitting Russian state-run media over Ukraine
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/maria-baron ... er-ukraine
Maria Baronova resigned as editor-in-chief of Russia Today, a state-run media operation also known as RT, last week after condemning Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. She’s well aware that anyone who speaks out against the Kremlin could be in danger – but personal safety is the least of Baronova’s concerns.

"The problem is, I know these people very well. They never send threats, they just kill, so there is kind of [a] weird silence around me, but I really think we’re on the brink of a nuclear war right now.

"I have a son, I can’t leave because his father won’t allow me to leave with him, and so I just prefer to stay in Moscow … It seems like we’re either in North Korea or we are going to be killed by a thermonuclear mushroom," she said. "I wouldn’t quit, and I wouldn’t lose my salary and job if I was sure that we are going to be alive for many years, but I really don’t know what is going to happen to all of us next."

She explained that the last straw before quitting RT wasn’t any sort of on-air propaganda, but rather an Instagram message from her colleague who wrote, "If you are now ashamed of being Russian, don’t worry, you are not Russian," as Putin’s invasion of Ukraine intensified.

"I was really disturbed by that tone and level of support," Baronova said, noting that she publicly responded to her now-former coworker’s message.

"If I chose to be with Russia, this does not mean that I should walk in a totalitarian system, be silent or, for example, rejoice that the regime, which I do not want for my country, is being exported somewhere else," Baronova wrote. "And this regime will finally turn our life into one endless hell. What's there. Already turned."

"I have nothing else to talk about with them," she said. "Our own government is bombing our relatives, our friends."

Baronova feels many Russians are "brainwashed" and some even buy Putin’s claim that the attack was needed to help "denazify" Ukraine, which the Kremlin has insisted was the true aggressor. Putin has claimed he wants to purge Ukraine of fascism; such messages, experts have told Fox News Digital, are appealing in Russia since loathing for the defeated Nazi Germany regime runs deep.

"I try to talk with people on the streets… they even had arguments like, ‘We are fighting with Hitler,’ but look, I’ve got some news. Hitler died 80 years ago," she said. "It seems like they’re really brainwashed."

[Indy]

Of course CNN and every other western media left. They were going to be arrested by Putin for fake news. Only pro-Russia news is real.

In2, you have clearly swallowed the Putin propaganda. You say you aren’t a Putin guy but, 100% of your posts come from his perspective. You call all the west news propaganda and promote Russian propaganda as the truth. Is it even possible that some of the accounts of what’s happening in Ukraine by the Russian media is not entirely truthful?

Russia massed troops at the border. Biden said they were getting ready to go in. Putin said they were just practicing drills. China was mad Biden was scaring people be saying Russia is going to invade. Some people joked, “What day are they going in again?” (Snicker). Russia went in. Some people said they weren't really invading. They were just a peacekeeping group. Now Putin is IN and 100% committed to taking over Ukraine. Biden was right. Putin lied. China still blames Biden.

Biden is threading the needle rallying the world trying to prevent WWIII and is doing a great job with little support back home. The RINO’s (Moderates) are on board. The magapsycho wing of the party can stay in their little conspiracy corner. They offer nothing constructive on any issue.

The Soviet Union was disbanded. Putin wants it all back. He got away with annexing Georgia. He took Belarus without a shot. He took Crimea and nobody stopped him. Now he is taking the rest of Ukraine and is getting heavy resistance. No video is going to justify Putin launching a war on a peaceful sovereign nation. Who’s next? Poland? Is it Putin’s Manifest destiny to retake the Soviet Union? NATO is encroaching because countries would rather be part of the West than part of the Soviet Union. Putin is having a freak out over that. Sorry Putin. You don’t get to decide other nations direction. If we wanted to go full blown Communist like China we could and Canada and Mexico wouldn’t get to have any say in the matter.

You may be right about his intentions. It may be more than that too. Maybe his intentions are to be Supreme ruler of the . Or you may have over analyzed this. You think you know what's going on. You simplify the situation so that the world works in the way that makes sense to you. It's not quite as simple as a mafia analogy, sorry to say.

It's funny you made that analogy though. I just happened to rewatch The Godfather with my wife last night.

If you don't understand how NATO expanding, after they promised not to, is a threat to Russia, I don't know what to tell you to help you understand.

Now you are just repeating Candace Owen's false statements.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ent-again/

I had no idea that she said that, so I didn't repeat or plagiarize her. So it's completely false now? I thought that the most high truth above all truth Politfact said it's "mostly false", meaning there is some validity in it and therefore could be a bone of contention. Now, do you need me to also explain to you why this would bother Russia, or are you going to claim I'm plagiarizing or disparage me in some other way instead of debating the issue? I've been called Pro-Putin, "swallowed the Putin propaganda", ect. Yet, at no time have you taken a breath and stopped to think, "am I actually getting the truth and full picture on anything that is or has happened?"

I said her statements were false. You added "completely" and then complained because politifact, backed up with quotes from real people involved when it happened, rated it mostly false. If you want to be the one drawing the distinction between "mostly false" and "false" go right ahead.

[Indy]

I would concede that NATO expansion is contrary to Russia's interests. But NATO doesn't pre-emptively attack Russia. It's a defense pact. If Russia attacks one NATO country, the others would rise to its defense. It's meant to prevent hot wars, not start them. NATO isn't a "threat" to Russia in that sense; if Russia doesn't try to start WWIII, they have nothing to worry about. My evidence for this is the literally decades where NATO has not been hostile to Russia.

Also, NATO doesn't "promise" to refrain from expanding. They can expand whenever they want. Saying, "You promised not to expand, but then you expanded! Now I will attack a neighboring nation." is lunacy.

But how could Russia believe that they never would attack Russia? They have many examples of NATO attacking other sovereign countries at the behest of the US over lies, do they not? Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, even Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin incident)
What stops the US from creating another lie to start another war w/ Russia? Putting bases right on the border of Russia seems pretty advantageous of NATO. This isn’t a great leap logic or stretch of the imagination.

Can you trace back your history to figure out when you crossed the line from "I support my nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic" to "lemme see what RT has to say before I chime in"?

[Mori Chu]

The thing I keep coming back to is, even if you do think that NATO is a "threat" to Russia, or that Ukraine had a bio lab, or whatever, why does any of that justify Russia invading their country, bombing and shelling their cities, killing their people? What gives one nation the right to invade another?

Such a thing wouldn't hold up if you applied it to domestic or personal law. "Your honor, I thought Jim might punch me. So I shot him! But he had been going to the gym, training to be strong, so he could punch me! After he promised me he would not do that! So I shot him dead. Totally justified, your honor!" You can't pre-emptively invade a country based on some theory about what that country -might- try to do to you someday in the future.

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Of course it doesn’t give him the right to invade. The biggest reason Putin is giving for invading is because Ukraine is run by Nazi’s bent on the takeover of the planet and it is up to Putin to save the world by de-Nazifying Ukraine.


https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... xpand-east
NATO has never promised Russia not to expand eastwards. The supposed existence of such an agreement is based on informal conversations. In 1990, the US Secretary of State mentioned in a conversation with Gorbachev that NATO's military jurisdiction would not be extended beyond Germany's eastern border. Experts stress that this does not indicate that an agreement was reached, while the subject was never discussed afterwards. Moreover, this conversation, devoted exclusively to the unification of Germany, was between the US and the Soviet Union representatives, not those of NATO and Russia.

[Mori Chu]

Right, the country with a Jewish President is run by Nazis. Forgot about that whopper.

BTW, Ukraine claims to have recently taken out one of Russia's top generals, fwiw. Not sure how significant that is, exactly, but there you go.

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I’m glad we have a sane person with experience in these matters at the helm during this obviously dangerous times for the world.

At a speech in New Orleans on Saturday night, Trump mused that we could simply apply Chinese flags to our F-22s and then “bomb the s--t out of Russia,” setting off a conflict between those two countries. “And then we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch,” Trump said, according to a recording obtained by The Washington Post’s Josh Dawsey.

[Indy]

Yeah, they figure out who did it by trying to see the flag on jet as it flies mach 2 across the country. Let's forget that we don't fly the same aircraft as China.

[Mori Chu]

[In2ition]

So undersecretary Victoria Nuland testifying in congress yesterday was her continuing to push Russian propaganda? Isn't she the same undersecretary that got caught on a leaked phone call with the ambassador speaking about a coup of Ukraine and who they would install in positions?

[Mori Chu]

So undersecretary Victoria Nuland testifying in congress yesterday was her continuing to push Russian propaganda? Isn't she the same undersecretary that got caught on a leaked phone call with the ambassador speaking about a coup of Ukraine and who they would install in positions?

In2: I googled her and found clips of her testifying, but no real summaries. What did she say?

[In2ition]

So undersecretary Victoria Nuland testifying in congress yesterday was her continuing to push Russian propaganda? Isn't she the same undersecretary that got caught on a leaked phone call with the ambassador speaking about a coup of Ukraine and who they would install in positions?

In2: I googled her and found clips of her testifying, but no real summaries. What did she say?

You know what she said if you saw the clip, so I'm trying to figure out your angle here. She said that there were US biological research laboratories and they were worried about them falling into Russian hands.

[AmareIsGod]

Apparently a children's hospital as well as a maternity ward were bombed today in Ukraine by Russia.

[Mori Chu]

Apparently a children's hospital as well as a maternity ward were bombed today in Ukraine by Russia.

The photos and footage are pretty rough. Pregnant mothers with bloody faces, dead kids, etc.

[Mori Chu]

[In2ition]

Worth noting that this tweet is an article from March 2nd, and it's missing a lot of updated information, like US official admitting that yes, there are/were biolabs in Ukraine. Weird how it came out today.

[Mori Chu]

Even Fox is calling bullshit on this bio lab garbage. Sorry pal.

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Russia before the invasion - We’re not invading. We are merely holding military exercises. Biden is lying when he says we’re here to invade.
Russia right after invasion - It’s not an invasion. It’s a peacekeeping mission in the separatist areas where pro Russian people are being picked on by the Nazi’s.
Russia a week after invasion - Yes, it’s an invasion but, we are just here to stop the Ukrainian Nazi’s from destroying the world.
Russia today - We invaded to stop the evil US bio labs that threatened the world.

[Mori Chu]