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TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:39 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:08 am

Suns are about to let their first and only #1 overall pick walk for nothing.

Picked the wrong guy, you gotta cut your losses if you don't believe in him. Let it go.

Bad take.

If you have an asset you don't just let it go for nothing when you have better options.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:14 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:39 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:08 am

Suns are about to let their first and only #1 overall pick walk for nothing.

Picked the wrong guy, you gotta cut your losses if you don't believe in him. Let it go.

Bad take.

If you have an asset you don't just let it go for nothing when you have better options.

You're reading it wrong but ok.

I wonder if this "we don't want Ayton" talk from Brooklyn is just to drive the price up, so that they can later "reluctantly" take him and act like they're doing us a favor for doing so. They are rumored to want an All-Star caliber player plus youth and picks for KD. Well, who (outside of Booker) is more likely to be a future All-Star than Ayton?

The only thing that gives me pause is that it'd be hard to trade Ayton to Brooklyn due to the BYC issues. So I still think they are more likely to loop in a third team such as Utah. But then if Brooklyn isn't getting Ayton back, who do they get back that makes the trade worthwhile? Donovan Mitchell? Could be plausible, but then Danny Ainge is going to want a tax to help facilitate such a thing.

I just feel like this ends up with us sending out 5 future 1st rounders plus 4 pick swaps or some ungodly draft price to get this thing done. Plus Ayton and maybe Mikal. I'm already kind of clenched up hoping it isn't as bad as all that. But I also worry that our FO is going to feel pressure to seal this deal and get it done to bring KD here. If we don't get him, it will be viewed as a failure and a disappointment.

I really think the smart move here would be not to rush this, not to overpay for KD. Stay strong, James Jones!

It is hard to overpay for a top 5 player in the league.

Also the BYC issue is for any sign and trade involving Ayton, not just Brooklyn.

Replace Turner with Ayton and the Pacers are still a lottery team, so what exactly is their incentive to offer him a max salary?

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Replace Turner with Ayton and the Pacers are still a lottery team, so what exactly is their incentive to offer him a max salary?

As much as I love Benn, that team is yikes.

carey wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:05 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Replace Turner with Ayton and the Pacers are still a lottery team, so what exactly is their incentive to offer him a max salary?

As much as I love Benn, that team is yikes.

If there is a year to tank, this is it.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Replace Turner with Ayton and the Pacers are still a lottery team, so what exactly is their incentive to offer him a max salary?

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the Pacers shouldn't want Ayton. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for them to sign him to a max contract if he's not going to improve them enough to challenge for a playoff spot.

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

YEah, Turner is in the top third of starting centers (or pretty close) and Ayton does have limits--like dunking over someone.

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:53 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

YEah, Turner is in the top third of starting centers (or pretty close) and Ayton does have limits--like dunking over someone.

Or even near someone.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

So you think Ayton has the potential to be the best player to ever play in the NBA? Like unquestioned GOAT? That is what "unlimited potential" means.

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:25 pm

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

So you think Ayton has the potential to be the best player to ever play in the NBA? Like unquestioned GOAT? That is what "unlimited potential" means.

Do I think it’s likely he will be the best? No. Is it possible? Anything is possible. Do I think he had the potential to be a dominant force in the league? Yes.

Indy wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:25 pm

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

So you think Ayton has the potential to be the best player to ever play in the NBA? Like unquestioned GOAT? That is what "unlimited potential" means.

Unlimited potential Matt Foley living in a van down by the river.
Ayton’s ceiling is poor man’s Duncan. His personality ain’t changing much. If his work ethic did, perhaps. But I’ll never forget he’s the reason why we didn’t make the Bubble year Playoffs.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

Indy made the dunk comment and I assume he's mostly joking. I honestly don't care if he dunks or not.

I don't want to talk about Ayton in circles anymore because that is getting old. The fact remains that everything with him is about potential, so no one really knows. All we can go by is what he's shown so far and it doesn't at all imply he has unlimited potential.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:37 pm

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

Indy made the dunk comment and I assume he's mostly joking. I honestly don't care if he dunks or not.

I don't want to talk about Ayton in circles anymore because that is getting old. The fact remains that everything with him is about potential, so no one really knows. All we can go by is what he's shown so far and it doesn't at all imply he has unlimited potential.

And what he had shown is he IS willing to put in the work. He didn’t have a jumper when he came in the league. He does now and is money out to 15-17 feet. He plays quality defense. He has more nice moves around the bucket(he did not have that nice hook when he came in the league). And when his head is right he does create his own shots. He needs to work more on not juggling the ball in the paint and I’m sure he knows it.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:51 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:37 pm

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:22 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

sunset rubdown wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Turner is what he is, a middling starting C. DA on the other hand has unlimited potential and I can see him having something like 22ppg-12rpg while being in contention for an all-star spot in the East. Ayton and Haliburton would be such a fun duo to watch. Shame it wouldn`t be in Phoenix.

I disagree with both of these statements. Turner is better than middling and Ayton doesn't have unlimited potential.

Yes he does FF. To think otherwise of a very talented 23 year old big man is extremely shortsighted. The hate is getting old. A player doesn’t have to dunk over people to be an impact player. Would it be nice? Of course, but not absolutely necessary.

Indy made the dunk comment and I assume he's mostly joking. I honestly don't care if he dunks or not.

I don't want to talk about Ayton in circles anymore because that is getting old. The fact remains that everything with him is about potential, so no one really knows. All we can go by is what he's shown so far and it doesn't at all imply he has unlimited potential.

And what he had shown is he IS willing to put in the work. He didn’t have a jumper when he came in the league. He does now and is money out to 15-17 feet. He plays quality defense. He has more nice moves around the bucket(he did not have that nice hook when he came in the league). And when his head is right he does create his own shots. He needs to work more on not juggling the ball in the paint and I’m sure he knows it.

I'm glad you hit on that because that's always been my point. He doesn't have it upstairs. Every deficit in his game can be traced back to his mental approach. That stuff doesn't change mid-career and surely not if he's on a max-contract because at that point, in his mind, he's already made it.

I’d just send him to Indy for Turner and a future asset at this point. If Brooklyn has made it known they don’t want Ayton, get what you can for him and move on.