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Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:23 pm
by Shabazz
I think coaching contracts have an offset. If Monty signs for a greater amount with another team, the Suns are off the hook. If it's a lesser amount, Suns pay the difference.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 am
by JeremyG
“Please Monty. We promise we won’t trade for Deandre.”
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:30 am
by Mori Chu
Increasingly I'm starting to think that it was foolish to fire Monty Williams. I was upset about how the playoffs went, and I think Monty could have done better, but I'm just not a believer in Kevin Young. We'll have to wait and see.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:37 am
by Superbone
Yes. Yes we will.
I don't know. The way we went out two years in a row was pretty epic and not in a good way. As much of a fan of Williams as I am, I understand moving on. I just wasn't seeing good adjustments on the court. I'm very thankful for the culture he brought here but I think I agree with Ishbia's assessment to move on. The trick is getting in somebody as good or better.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:47 am
by INFORMER
The Suns had a culture on and off the court that was unique and an advantage over their opponent. A lot of that left with trading of the twins. It's just about gone with the firing of Monty, but even if he had been retained, it still wouldn't have been enough.
There were basketball factors that kept that culture from being enough, but Jones never really addressed any of them.
The current team is very different. It's about the brilliance of Book and Durant, and trying to surround with a enough talent to win it all while having very few resources. I'm not sure how valuable Monty is in that type of team building.
Moreover, I don't know if James Jones is an asset in that type of building. Jones isn't going to run things like Miami or Toronto, looking for undrafted free agents, using the g league, maximizing untapped potential, developing players, etc. You're not going to draft a Fred VanVleet and develop him; you're not going to find a Gabe Vincent or Max Strus. Jones doesn't have the patience or foresight to pull that stuff off.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am
by Split T
He’s done alright with vet min signings…would be great if he could pull another CamJ draft pick out of his hat(only he’d have to draft him at his expected pick after we buy a late 1st/early 2nd).
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 11:09 am
by Split T
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:30 am
Increasingly I'm starting to think that it was foolish to fire Monty Williams. I was upset about how the playoffs went, and I think Monty could have done better, but I'm just not a believer in Kevin Young. We'll have to wait and see.
I get it’s underwhelming, but we really have no clue what kind of coach Kevin Young is…maybe in a few years he’s seen like Spoelstra.
But I don’t subscribe to the thinking that because he was on Monty’s staff he’s going to be the same.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 11:40 am
by Superbone
INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:47 am
The Suns had a culture on and off the court that was unique and an advantage over their opponent. A lot of that left with trading of the twins. It's just about gone with the firing of Monty, but even if he had been retained, it still wouldn't have been enough.
There were basketball factors that kept that culture from being enough, but Jones never really addressed any of them.
The current team is very different. It's about the brilliance of Book and Durant, and trying to surround with a enough talent to win it all while having very few resources. I'm not sure how valuable Monty is in that type of team building.
Moreover, I don't know if James Jones is an asset in that type of building. Jones isn't going to run things like Miami or Toronto, looking for undrafted free agents, using the g league, maximizing untapped potential, developing players, etc. You're not going to draft a Fred VanVleet and develop him; you're not going to find a Gabe Vincent or Max Strus. Jones doesn't have the patience or foresight to pull that stuff off.
I'm going to wait and see how he performs under Ishbia before I make those assessments about Jones. We don't know what constraints he had under Sarver.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 12:55 pm
by LazarusLong
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:30 am
Increasingly I'm starting to think that it was foolish to fire Monty Williams. I was upset about how the playoffs went, and I think Monty could have done better, but I'm just not a believer in Kevin Young. We'll have to wait and see.
Monty was a good coach for a time, but he started losing the room.
Ongoing issues with Ayton, apparent issues with Crowder, and, allegedly, growing dysfunction in the relationship with Paul.
When Cam and Bridges left, the core of the team Monty and Jones built was Booker, an erratic Ayton and an aging, somewhat disgruntled Paul.
It's difficult to keep eliminating key players and then expect no slip in continuity.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:48 pm
by Superbone
LazarusLong wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:55 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:30 am
Increasingly I'm starting to think that it was foolish to fire Monty Williams. I was upset about how the playoffs went, and I think Monty could have done better, but I'm just not a believer in Kevin Young. We'll have to wait and see.
Monty was a good coach for a time, but he started losing the room.
Ongoing issues with Ayton, apparent issues with Crowder, and, allegedly, growing dysfunction in the relationship with Paul.
When Cam and Bridges left, the core of the team Monty and Jones built was Booker, an erratic Ayton and an aging, somewhat disgruntled Paul.
It's difficult to keep eliminating key players and then expect no slip in continuity.
Great synopsis of the situation. Would expect nothing less from you.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 6:57 pm
by ShelC
More like Money Williams now.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:02 pm
by Split T
That’s crazy money…Good for Monty
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:07 pm
by Superbone
Wow. Congrats coach! Thanks you for your time here and how far you've helped bring the team.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:24 pm
by JeremyG
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:38 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
It's like he's a really good coach or something.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pm
by TOO
I like Monty, nice guy, shitty tactician, thats an absolutely WILD deal, good for him. LMAO. Dude was below .500 before he took the Suns job IIRC.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:20 pm
by JeremyG
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 pm
by The Bobster
Kind of an optimistic overpay, dontcha think?
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:43 pm
by Mori Chu
Good for Monty. I wish him nothing but the best. Good coach and good man. I hope he can bring success to Detroit. Seems like the kind of coach they need.
Re: Monty Williams
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:06 pm
by AmareIsGod
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pm
I like Monty, nice guy, shitty tactician, thats an absolutely WILD deal, good for him. LMAO. Dude was below .500 before he took the Suns job IIRC.
And the highest winning percentage among all coaches over the last 3 seasons. A small piece to omit.