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Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:33 pm
by Shabazz
Ayton may be the only starter that we have that's a plus for his position in sprint speed. Hard to run more with the slowest lineup in the NBA.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:39 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:29 pm
I’m just stating the present. I don’t think anyone disagrees that Ayton has a more promising future. Just that right now, this season, Nurkic might do some things better than Ayton
I'm including this season in "the future." Your "present" is actually the past (last year).
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:40 pm
by Split T
Shabazz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:30 pm
When Nurkic has to defend in the post, maybe he's better than Ayton. But if you're playing against Nurkic, he's easy to scheme of the floor. Pull him up top with a screen and it's a 5-on-4 every time.
And like JG said. He's old and broken and he's not getting more mobile.
Which is why I’d consider him on the 2nd unit…don’t let him be out there when guys can kill him for being in a deep drop
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:42 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:39 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:29 pm
I’m just stating the present. I don’t think anyone disagrees that Ayton has a more promising future. Just that right now, this season, Nurkic might do some things better than Ayton
I'm including this season in "the future." Your "present" is actually the past (last year).
It’s the most recent season and deals with actual facts though…not guesses. Neither of us actually know whether Nurkic declines this year or not. He is still only 29
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:43 pm
by Split T
Shabazz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:33 pm
Ayton may be the only starter that we have that's a plus for his position in sprint speed. Hard to run more with the slowest lineup in the NBA.
Sprint speed doesn’t matter if you never sprint…remember how strange it was to see Ayton sprint in that fiba game? It’s because he never did it for the suns.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:47 pm
by Kryptonic
Shabazz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:30 pm
When Nurkic has to defend in the post, maybe he's better than Ayton. But if you're playing against Nurkic, he's easy to scheme of the floor. Pull him up top with a screen and it's a 5-on-4 every time.
And like JG said. He's old and broken and he's not getting more mobile.
I agree... I'm not for this trade and like Aytons upside more; regardless of how much he frustrates me.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:55 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
That's about as close as I can get to making the numbers work and being somewhat realistic.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:00 pm
by Split T
Is Lee actually tradable 10/5? I wouldn’t think he’s tradable until 12/15
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:07 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:00 pm
Is Lee actually tradable 10/5? I wouldn’t think he’s tradable until 12/15
Yeah, maybe 10/5 is wrong. Spotrac says 12/15.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:09 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Thybulle can veto the deal but he has a 15% kicker.
I really like this for the Suns.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:19 pm
by Kryptonic
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:09 pm
Thybulle can veto the deal but he has a 15% kicker.
I really like this for the Suns.
That would be great…. Just no ayton straight up for nurkic
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:21 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Who says no? (besides Dame)
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:29 pm
by Shabazz
I think I like the idea of Nas Little more than the actual player. He’s kind of on the NBA fringe like a lot of other non-shooting defensive wings (Stanley Johnson, Winslow).
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:36 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I'm a bit guilty of that as well, but I think his size and tools on the wing would be a better fit than another shooter who's a liability elsewhere like Robinson. Caleb Martin would be my first choice from Miami and Little from Portland because I can't figure out how the Suns could bring in Simons with Nurkic.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:02 pm
by 3TheHardaway
Caleb Martin would be intriguing, but we’d be setting ourselves up to get drop defense exposed in the post season with a center as immobile as Nurkic. If Toronto rather than Miami gets the prize they have more interesting bigs to deal along with Nurk.
I’m with the others who are worried by Gambo not only not shutting this down, but already going in PR mode to sell us on Nurk, and following it up with expectation of Dame traded within 24 hours. Guess we should prepare to be underwhelmed in advance.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:05 pm
by Split T
You can just bench Nurkic in the playoffs. Play Eubanks
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:10 pm
by 3TheHardaway
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:05 pm
You can just bench Nurkic in the playoffs. Play Eubanks
Maybe it’ll be Bol SZN
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:25 pm
by TOO
3TheHardaway wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:02 pm
Caleb Martin would be intriguing, but we’d be setting ourselves up to get drop defense exposed in the post season with a center as immobile as Nurkic. If Toronto rather than Miami gets the prize they have more interesting bigs to deal along with Nurk.
I’m with the others who are worried by Gambo not only not shutting this down, but already going in PR mode to sell us on Nurk, and following it up with expectation of Dame traded within 24 hours. Guess we should prepare to be underwhelmed in advance.
There was never a chance to get good value for Ayton once he signed that max deal.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
by JeremyG
We can get plenty of value out of Ayton's max deal: by keeping him and playing him 36 minutes per game.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:38 pm
by Wally_West
Nurk and Scoot works. Let’s do that.
