Phx-Suns.Net

All this being said, the Celtics can almost certainly one-up us when it comes to any offer. So that sucks.

n4th4n wrote:All this being said, the Celtics can almost certainly one-up us when it comes to any offer. So that sucks.

Maybe Jackson doesn't want to help the Celtics
But seriously, trading KP is insane for the Knicks.

Supposedly, the Knicks are aggressive in what they're asking for. Could be they're talking to the Cs about all of their assets and picks.

I'm not buying that Love rumor that is floating around.

On the other hand if KP is available you get that deal done.

Anyone not named Booker and as long as we keep 2 of TJ, Bender, or Chriss. Everything else can go. Just get KP here.

In2ition wrote:How about this?

Bledsoe --> Dallas for #9
Miami '18, #32 and Paul George --> Lakers
Knight, #9 --> Pacers
#2, #28 and Deng --> Phoenix

Better, but I agree with TOO. Send the #28 to IND if anything.

Bledsoe would never net us a #2 so taking Deng to compesate without getting an additional pick is fine. If that happened, I think we should get to keep MIA '18, because IND would be getting a #9 and an extra first in a strong draft.

LAL should be satisfied with turning Deng into George. Spending a #2 and a #28 to do so is a lot but nobody is touching Deng otherwise and what they are getting is huge in terms of flexibility and cap impact, essentially turning their current mess around. I believe they'd have the claim to an extra asset like our #32 to compensate for #28, but not MIA '18.

I would also check if Dallas would like turning Mathews into Deng because Wes fits us way better.

I am not very excited about Mathews given his health issues. Also isn't he redundant with Booker? Why would we acquire more veteran SGs?

Gambo reporting Knicks asked for Booker and #4. Not surprising, that's what I said they would ask for a few months back when we first discussed KP. I wouldn't trade Booker, as the whole point would be to put them together, but you could talk me into just about any other configuration.

Split T wrote:Gambo reporting Knicks asked for Booker and #4. Not surprising, that's what I said they would ask for a few months back when we first discussed KP. I wouldn't trade Booker, as the whole point would be to put them together, but you could talk me into just about any other configuration.

Agreed.

That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

He's much much better offensively than KP. I guess if you consider KP's defense he might have a slight edge. Booker's IQ is seriously advanced offensively and he does a ton of things you just don't see 20-year-olds do.

Wally_West wrote:

Split T wrote:Gambo reporting Knicks asked for Booker and #4. Not surprising, that's what I said they would ask for a few months back when we first discussed KP. I wouldn't trade Booker, as the whole point would be to put them together, but you could talk me into just about any other configuration.

Agreed.

Yup. I don't think I'd be interested in swapping them and losing the pick.

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

He's much much better offensively than KP. I guess if you consider KP's defense he might have a slight edge. Booker's IQ is seriously advanced offensively and he does a ton of things you just don't see 20-year-olds do.

Much better? I dont know that I'd say that, they are comparable shooters, just Booker is the 1st option on a bad team and KP is a 2nd option on a bad team. Porzingis is better across the board IMO, the advanced numbers sway heavily in his favor. HEAVILY. Plus the age thing doesnt matter when Zinger is 21.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

He's much much better offensively than KP. I guess if you consider KP's defense he might have a slight edge. Booker's IQ is seriously advanced offensively and he does a ton of things you just don't see 20-year-olds do.

Much better? I dont know that I'd say that, they are comparable shooters, just Booker is the 1st option on a bad team and KP is a 2nd option on a bad team. Porzingis is better across the board IMO, the advanced numbers sway heavily in his favor. HEAVILY. Plus the age thing doesnt matter when Zinger is 21.

I'm not talking about shooting numbers. I'm talking about reading defenses, positioning, etc. I'll find a few videos for you later but Booker just does things that only players like Kobe, Harden, Manu etc have done. KP Is just a tall dude that shoots over people. It's not the same. I'm not saying there's no value in what KP does but literally unless he shoots like Dirk the rest of his career this trade wouldn't benefit us.

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

He's much much better offensively than KP. I guess if you consider KP's defense he might have a slight edge. Booker's IQ is seriously advanced offensively and he does a ton of things you just don't see 20-year-olds do.

Much better? I dont know that I'd say that, they are comparable shooters, just Booker is the 1st option on a bad team and KP is a 2nd option on a bad team. Porzingis is better across the board IMO, the advanced numbers sway heavily in his favor. HEAVILY. Plus the age thing doesnt matter when Zinger is 21.

I'm not talking about shooting numbers. I'm talking about reading defenses, positioning, etc. I'll find a few videos for you later but Booker just does things that only players like Kobe, Harden, Manu etc have done. KP Is just a tall dude that shoots over people. It's not the same. I'm not saying there's no value in what KP does but literally unless he shoots like Dirk the rest of his career this trade wouldn't benefit us.

You're way wrong on KP. And the more I think about it, the more it's not such a crazy offer. I love Booker, but KP can be just as special a talent in a 7-3 frame. He's legit. Imagine KG/Kirilenko/Dirk in one package. Maybe if it's Booker and 4 for KP and 8....then I'd probably pull the trigger.

Porzingis is also a terrific rim protector, has no apparent flaw on either side of the court, is very coachable and is perfectly designed for the new style of big men. There is literally nothing not to like. Still, it makes absolutely no sense to trade Booker for him. Anything and everything but Booker.

Ring_Wanted wrote:Porzingis is also a terrific rim protector, has no apparent flaw on either side of the court, is very coachable and is perfectly designed for the new style of big men. There is literally nothing not to like. Still, it makes absolutely no sense to trade Booker for him. Anything and everything but Booker.

Yeah, I agree. You want to pair them and Booker is our own.

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

carey wrote:That is a crazy high asking price. By the time KP had his first 30 point game Booker had already had 7 or 8. Booker is the better player right now. To do this move you'd have to think that KP is the next great PF in this league. Dirk part 2 basically.

In what way is Booker better than Porzingis? I dont get this line of thinking. I know its easier to love the one youre with, but Booker doesnt do anything better than KP. There is a reason that KP is a unicorn. Offense, defense, positional rarity, age, he checks all the boxes. Literally all of them.

He's much much better offensively than KP. I guess if you consider KP's defense he might have a slight edge. Booker's IQ is seriously advanced offensively and he does a ton of things you just don't see 20-year-olds do.

Much better? I dont know that I'd say that, they are comparable shooters, just Booker is the 1st option on a bad team and KP is a 2nd option on a bad team. Porzingis is better across the board IMO, the advanced numbers sway heavily in his favor. HEAVILY. Plus the age thing doesnt matter when Zinger is 21.

I'm not talking about shooting numbers. I'm talking about reading defenses, positioning, etc. I'll find a few videos for you later but Booker just does things that only players like Kobe, Harden, Manu etc have done. KP Is just a tall dude that shoots over people. It's not the same. I'm not saying there's no value in what KP does but literally unless he shoots like Dirk the rest of his career this trade wouldn't benefit us.

I disagree with this so much, to the point where I wonder if you ever even seen KP play. He can score on all 3 levels, to say he just shoots jumpers over people is crazy man.

Do you guys watch the Knicks all the time or are you just buying the hype? Whenever I see him play I just don't see it. He certainly is not KG or Dirk out there. I'm not even certain I don't like Jokic more than KP right now with his insane passing ability.

Ring_Wanted wrote:Porzingis is also a terrific rim protector, has no apparent flaw on either side of the court, is very coachable and is perfectly designed for the new style of big men. There is literally nothing not to like. Still, it makes absolutely no sense to trade Booker for him. Anything and everything but Booker.

I agree, ideally you want to pair them, I'm just saying in a vacuum KP is a better player and more valuable asset. I would trade Booker for him in a 1 for 1 scenario and wouldnt think twice about it. I'd take KP, trade Bledsoe, draft Fox and shoot for Monk with the Bledsoe return. Rosterbation is fun