Yep, those GSW totally flopped the next year when Bogut was injured.Cap wrote:LeBron and Kyrie had to team up to win a title. Bogut did it by himself.O_Gardino wrote:2-1 odds Doncic is better!Cap wrote:IINM, LeBron and Kyrie are the only other #1 picks at any position to win a ring in that time frame.O_Gardino wrote:So you're telling me that Bogut is the only center drafted #1 to win a ring since Duncan in 1997?Cap wrote:Here’s another pattern. Centers selected #1 overall.
1984: Akeem (that’s how he spelled it then) Olajuwon
1985: Patrick Ewing
1986: Brad Daugherty
1987: David Robinson
1989: Pervis Ellison
1992: SHAQ
1997: Tim Duncan
1998: Michael Olowokandi
2002: Yao Ming
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2007: Greg Oden
2012: The Brow (usually plays PF, but also plays C)
2015: KAT
Certainly, most of them worked out well. Kandi and Oden are the only complete flops.![]()
Nah, I know that's not point.
2018 Suns Offseason News
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This is clear evidence we should trade out of the number one pick. You can't win a title with them unless you have two.Hermen wrote:Yep, those GSW totally flopped the next year when Bogut was injured.Cap wrote:LeBron and Kyrie had to team up to win a title. Bogut did it by himself.O_Gardino wrote:2-1 odds Doncic is better!Cap wrote:IINM, LeBron and Kyrie are the only other #1 picks at any position to win a ring in that time frame.O_Gardino wrote:
So you're telling me that Bogut is the only center drafted #1 to win a ring since Duncan in 1997?![]()
Nah, I know that's not point.
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We did have Anthony Bennett in camp last yearJCSunsfan wrote:This is clear evidence we should trade out of the number one pick. You can't win a title with them unless you have two.Hermen wrote:Yep, those GSW totally flopped the next year when Bogut was injured.Cap wrote:LeBron and Kyrie had to team up to win a title. Bogut did it by himself.O_Gardino wrote:2-1 odds Doncic is better!Cap wrote:
IINM, LeBron and Kyrie are the only other #1 picks at any position to win a ring in that time frame.![]()
Nah, I know that's not point.
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I don't think he was even able to stick with the NAZ Suns.Split T wrote:We did have Anthony Bennett in camp last yearJCSunsfan wrote:This is clear evidence we should trade out of the number one pick. You can't win a title with them unless you have two.Hermen wrote:Yep, those GSW totally flopped the next year when Bogut was injured.Cap wrote:LeBron and Kyrie had to team up to win a title. Bogut did it by himself.O_Gardino wrote:
2-1 odds Doncic is better!![]()
Nah, I know that's not point.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
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GOAT!Cap wrote:LeBron and Kyrie had to team up to win a title. Bogut did it by himself.O_Gardino wrote:2-1 odds Doncic is better!Cap wrote:IINM, LeBron and Kyrie are the only other #1 picks at any position to win a ring in that time frame.O_Gardino wrote:So you're telling me that Bogut is the only center drafted #1 to win a ring since Duncan in 1997?Cap wrote:Here’s another pattern. Centers selected #1 overall.
1984: Akeem (that’s how he spelled it then) Olajuwon
1985: Patrick Ewing
1986: Brad Daugherty
1987: David Robinson
1989: Pervis Ellison
1992: SHAQ
1997: Tim Duncan
1998: Michael Olowokandi
2002: Yao Ming
2004: Dwight Howard
2005: Andrew Bogut
2007: Greg Oden
2012: The Brow (usually plays PF, but also plays C)
2015: KAT
Certainly, most of them worked out well. Kandi and Oden are the only complete flops.![]()
Nah, I know that's not point.

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You all get 10/10.
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Add Kwami Brown (2001) to your list.
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https://twitter.com/esidery/status/998614020201431043
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
-Shaheen Holloway
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
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Interesting read about the effect that Kokoskov will have (or wont have) on Bender:
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... uns-bender
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... uns-bender
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Sure, it isn't guaranteed that Coachoskov will help Bender's game. But I have to believe that Bender will be likely to do better in a more organized offensive system with a real coach who values him. He's also another year older, wiser, more understanding of the league. I see no reason why Bender wouldn't make some nice improvements next season.jonh wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:16 amInteresting read about the effect that Kokoskov will have (or wont have) on Bender:
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018 ... uns-bender
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Dragan has already improved a lot, and he's going to keep improving. I'm really not worried about him at all.
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The thing I'd worry about is lack of killer instinct. I'd like to see his aggressiveness improve.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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-Shaheen Holloway
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I think as he gains strength(not bulk) and quickness, his confidence will grow. As his confidence grows you will see him come out of his shell more.
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I agree. And he did play much more aggressively last season than he did as a rookie. He still needs to improve, but I'm not worried that he wont improve.
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I don't understand the folks who have already given up on Bender. He shows signs of clear improvement every year. He has exactly the skillset you'd want in a 4/5 man in 2018-19's NBA: size, defense, outside shooting, unselfishness, doesn't demand or hog the ball. And I bet he'll stay a Suns lifer if we treat him right. What's not to like? Sure he doesn't average 20 ppg, but we don't need that from him. And the dude is still just 20 years old. What more do you want?
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Probably consistent actual on court production
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Congratulations to Josh Jackson for sneaking into 2nd team all rookie. I didn't know if he was going to make it.
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Not bad after not making the 1st and 2nd year team at the all-star break.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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-Shaheen Holloway
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