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Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:25 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:21 am

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:52 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:43 am

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:26 am

Funny how our minds work. 'Paying to move TJ Warren was not a big deal because we had a logjam at forward'. Then, while still lackong a starter PF and a backup PG, 'let's spend our FA money on this forward'.

I think Cam might be our starting PF

Could be, but I wouldn't be too confident. In any case, I am interested in adding a clear upgrade at PF, even if Cam (or Oubre) spends some time there. Woods would be the first option, but if he can't be had, I'd look at Millsap. I know he is old, but Millsap could be exactly the kind of player we need to raise the floor of this team (the ceiling is a matter of Booker, Ayon and Bridges). Grant would be my #3 target.

What would you do about guard off the bench? Do you think we could get one of those 4’s and have enough money to go get another backcourt guy? We could get lucky in the draft, but that would worry me if we don’t get Haliburton. He’s the one guy I think we could just plug into the rotation.

Are you a no on bringing back Saric?

Yeah, my dream offseason (while trying to keep it realistic) would be like this:

1.- Trade up for Haliburton (say #10 and 2021 1stR with light protection).

2.- I also have real interest in Jalen Smith (projected anywhere from mid 1stR to late 20s or ever a high 2ndR) and wouldn't heistate to spend future draft stock to add him, even in a scenario like the one above where we have already used a future pick. He'd be a great prospect to have, especially if the team adds a veteran PF like Millsap to teach him the ropes.

3.- Sign Millsap.

4.- Sign Trier.

As for Saric, yeah, he wouldn't be on my plans unless he took a ridiculously cheap contract (under the MLE, which probably is not going to happen). I was not impressed before the trade and he has not done enough to convince me he is worth the opportunity cost. I believe he serves a better purpose on a bonafide good team that doesn't need a lot from him.

Of course, all this could be played in a different way. Like, trade up for Toppin. Then use the cap space for FVV. But this scenario is more risky: Toppin mindset/IQ, alongside Ayton, could mean too much frustration for me as a fan, and too much work for the coaches. And if I am honest, I have my doubts about giving FVV a huge contract as I don't know how he'd respond if out of a contender environment.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:45 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:25 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:21 am

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:52 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:43 am

I think Cam might be our starting PF

Could be, but I wouldn't be too confident. In any case, I am interested in adding a clear upgrade at PF, even if Cam (or Oubre) spends some time there. Woods would be the first option, but if he can't be had, I'd look at Millsap. I know he is old, but Millsap could be exactly the kind of player we need to raise the floor of this team (the ceiling is a matter of Booker, Ayon and Bridges). Grant would be my #3 target.

What would you do about guard off the bench? Do you think we could get one of those 4’s and have enough money to go get another backcourt guy? We could get lucky in the draft, but that would worry me if we don’t get Haliburton. He’s the one guy I think we could just plug into the rotation.

Are you a no on bringing back Saric?

Yeah, my dream offseason (while trying to keep it realistic) would be like this:

1.- Trade up for Haliburton (say #10 and 2021 1stR with light protection).

2.- I also have real interest in Jalen Smith (projected anywhere from mid 1stR to late 20s or ever a high 2ndR) and wouldn't heistate to spend future draft stock to add him, even in a scenario like the one above where we have already used a future pick. He'd be a great prospect to have, especially if the team adds a veteran PF like Millsap to teach him the ropes.

3.- Sign Millsap.

4.- Sign Trier.

As for Saric, yeah, he wouldn't be on my plans unless he took a ridiculously cheap contract (under the MLE, which probably is not going to happen). I was not impressed before the trade and he has not done enough to convince me he is worth the opportunity cost. I believe he serves a better purpose on a bonafide good team that doesn't need a lot from him.

Of course, all this could be played in a different way. Like, trade up for Toppin. Then use the cap space for FVV. But this scenario is more risky: Toppin mindset/IQ, alongside Ayton, could mean too much frustration for me as a fan, and too much work for the coaches. And if I am honest, I have my doubts about giving FVV a huge contract as I don't know how he'd respond if out of a contender environment.

Ya I’d consider bringing Saric back at about 8 million a year, but have no idea if that’s feasible. What do you think Millsap will get in a contract? Will be curious to see who Denver tries to retain amongst the Millsap, Grant, and even Plumlee group.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:43 pm

Meyers Leonard is an interesting target that I didn’t realize was a free agent. He’s been over 42% from 3 for 3 years in a row now.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

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Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:43 pm

Meyers Leonard is an interesting target that I didn’t realize was a free agent. He’s been over 42% from 3 for 3 years in a row now.

Great shooter for a big man, but too soft. A better Kaminsky, but doesn't really solve our big man needs (I am notnsure he is a PF anymore).

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I’d be pretty worried about giving him those years. 1 year at 15 million I could see, but I wouldn’t do 3

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Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:03 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I’d be pretty worried about giving him those years. 1 year at 15 million I could see, but I wouldn’t do 3

I don't think you are grabbing his attention with 15M. That's 5M less than two years of MLE. A nice compromise could be a partial guarantee on the last year, but despite his age, the guy still delivers.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:03 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I’d be pretty worried about giving him those years. 1 year at 15 million I could see, but I wouldn’t do 3

I don't think you are grabbing his attention with 15M. That's 5M less than two years of MLE. A nice compromise could be a partial guarantee on the last year, but despite his age, the guy still delivers.

I’d just be worried about a drop off. He’s stayed steady, but it’s gonna go at some point. I think I’d feel more comfortable giving Grant a multi year deal.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:10 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:03 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I’d be pretty worried about giving him those years. 1 year at 15 million I could see, but I wouldn’t do 3

I don't think you are grabbing his attention with 15M. That's 5M less than two years of MLE. A nice compromise could be a partial guarantee on the last year, but despite his age, the guy still delivers.

I’d just be worried about a drop off. He’s stayed steady, but it’s gonna go at some point. I think I’d feel more comfortable giving Grant a multi year deal.

That's a legitimate concern, but essentially you are betting on him lasting two seasons and then becoming a trading chip as an expiring. I'd take the odds when the reward is a perfect fit on and off the court.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pm

I wouldn’t hate it, I’m pretty optimistic by nature, so I’d get on board.

Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Millsap/Ayton with Payne/Haliburton/Oubre/Johnson off the bench.

Think you probably gotta play Paul as the backup 5 to get everyone minutes. Or lots of Bridges at the 2.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:38 pm

I think throwing money at Milsap is too big of a risk. That could be Tyson Chandler 2.0.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I wonder if he’s sign quickly if we gave him something like 8 million per for 3 years.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I’d like to bring Carter back as well as a 3rd pg. He plays hard, his defense in certain situations is valuable, and he can hit spot up 3’s. He’s still just a minimum guy though.

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Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:56 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I wonder if he’s sign quickly if we gave him something like 8 million per for 3 years.

Ugh, that is a little much for me, unless the last two years are non-guaranteed.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I’d like to bring Carter back as well as a 3rd pg. He plays hard, his defense in certain situations is valuable, and he can hit spot up 3’s. He’s still just a minimum guy though.

I prefer Shaq Harrison.

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:17 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:10 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:03 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I’d be pretty worried about giving him those years. 1 year at 15 million I could see, but I wouldn’t do 3

I don't think you are grabbing his attention with 15M. That's 5M less than two years of MLE. A nice compromise could be a partial guarantee on the last year, but despite his age, the guy still delivers.

I’d just be worried about a drop off. He’s stayed steady, but it’s gonna go at some point. I think I’d feel more comfortable giving Grant a multi year deal.

That's a legitimate concern, but essentially you are betting on him lasting two seasons and then becoming a trading chip as an expiring. I'd take the odds when the reward is a perfect fit on and off the court.

I would quote this same thing back to you on Millsap: I believe he serves a better purpose on a bonafide good team that doesn't need a lot from him.

Despite him being an all-star every year in Atlanta, he seems to be a much better contributor in Denver.

If we had a good starters at all positions and needed a first big off the bench, I would absolutely risk that type of contract for him. But we seem to still be shopping for a legit starting PF and not sure a 35-37 year old Millsap will be that guy.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:30 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:56 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I wonder if he’s sign quickly if we gave him something like 8 million per for 3 years.

Ugh, that is a little much for me, unless the last two years are non-guaranteed.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

I’d like to bring Carter back as well as a 3rd pg. He plays hard, his defense in certain situations is valuable, and he can hit spot up 3’s. He’s still just a minimum guy though.

I prefer Shaq Harrison.

Wow. All D and no O. Pass. At least that's what I remember. Maybe he got better.