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I think you're being generous,AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:37 pmIf Ayton would just dunk the fucking basketball instead of the weak layup shit near the rim. NOBODY fears Ayton. He's got the body of David Robinson with the aggressiveness of Boris Diaw.
... It was my argument. I get that you can make the numbers say that Ayton is our leading scorer without Booker(ever so slightly over Mikal). Though that’s not the case over the last 14 games, you need the first 14 when Mikal was slumping.
Should also dunk the ball too but we’ve seen how that goes…. Couldn’t I imagine being that size and laying it in. Can you imagine if STAT or heck, even joe Klein laying it in like DA. People would have lost their ever loving minds.
What do you think people have been doing here?Kryptonic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:40 pmShould also dunk the ball too but we’ve seen how that goes…. Couldn’t I imagine being that size and laying it in. Can you imagine if STAT or heck, even joe Klein laying it in like DA. People would have lost their ever loving minds.
As far as the shots he's taking, yes. But they've both taken on more of a facilitating role. But my point was that Ayton has had to adjust to defenses scheming for him much more than he has in the past, with him being the number one shot-taker on the team, as well as having to handle the pressure of the team counting on him to make his shots since they actually need his offense now.Split T wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:59 pmIt was my argument. I get that you can make the numbers say that Ayton is our leading scorer without Booker(ever so slightly over Mikal). Though that’s not the case over the last 14 games, you need the first 14 when Mikal was slumping.
My overall point is Ayton hasn’t really changed his game much. Is he getting more attention? Sure, but he’s also performing worse(.512 TS since 1/8). He’s still taking the same type of shots.
Would you agree that how Mikal is playing, the role in the offense, has changed more than Ayton? He’s literally taken on Bookers role. Ayton is still playing the Ayton role.
I'm not arguing that he's taken on more of a new role than Bridges has. They've both had to adjust in different ways.
Yeah, let's not let it get silly. Jeremy, I am on your side but this is getting to levels of silliness that I haven't seen since folks drove SpanishNinja off the board with Shaq Pack jokes because he took fandom to silly extremes.
For some of the tools that jawed about how FTs weren't important...there seems to be some good data that shows when DA gets a half dozen or more FTs per game it comes with some very positive consequences.
Monty is, sort of, Alvin Gentry 2.0, perhaps a better version, having NBA playing experience where Gentry didn't.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:44 pmBeen saying this for a while now but Ayton will be marked by inconsistency for a long time, he'll be great for a while and be terrible for a while. What's been disappointing for me is that the trend has been down, not up, this year. Think I am getting close to being done with Monty, though.
Hard to disagree on any of this. He definitely needed a strategic lead assistant and hasn't had one for a while. And you're spot on with Chris Paul.LazarusLong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:43 amMonty is, sort of, Alvin Gentry 2.0, perhaps a better version, having NBA playing experience where Gentry didn't.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:44 pmBeen saying this for a while now but Ayton will be marked by inconsistency for a long time, he'll be great for a while and be terrible for a while. What's been disappointing for me is that the trend has been down, not up, this year. Think I am getting close to being done with Monty, though.
He hasn't changed. What worked for awhile was the collaboration between Paul, Booker, Monty and Willy Green.
That was the core of the team's braintrust.
Willie has left, and Paul is slowing down, but still wants considerable input.
I like the guy, but sometimes he seems a bit of a hindrance.
And, recently, of course, Booker has been sidelined.
I haven't been impressed with many of the assistants.
Mark Bryant is a decent sort, but he was a grinder, never a scorer when he played.
After that, I know there's a Mutombo on staff, but not related to Dikembe.
It seems like a collection of anonymous drones...
This. And if they're sticking with Monty he not only needs a strategic lead assistant, but also a big man assistant who can actually help Ayton's offensive development.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:50 amHard to disagree on any of this. He definitely needed a strategic lead assistant and hasn't had one for a while. And you're spot on with Chris Paul.LazarusLong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:43 amMonty is, sort of, Alvin Gentry 2.0, perhaps a better version, having NBA playing experience where Gentry didn't.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:44 pmBeen saying this for a while now but Ayton will be marked by inconsistency for a long time, he'll be great for a while and be terrible for a while. What's been disappointing for me is that the trend has been down, not up, this year. Think I am getting close to being done with Monty, though.
He hasn't changed. What worked for awhile was the collaboration between Paul, Booker, Monty and Willy Green.
That was the core of the team's braintrust.
Willie has left, and Paul is slowing down, but still wants considerable input.
I like the guy, but sometimes he seems a bit of a hindrance.
And, recently, of course, Booker has been sidelined.
I haven't been impressed with many of the assistants.
Mark Bryant is a decent sort, but he was a grinder, never a scorer when he played.
After that, I know there's a Mutombo on staff, but not related to Dikembe.
It seems like a collection of anonymous drones...
I don't remember Gentry being outcoached this badly on a regular basis. Monty has a basketball soul but not a basketball mind.
What's some assistant gonna do that Ayton can't do himself? Genuinely curious as to what you think would change.JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:36 pmThis. And if they're sticking with Monty he not only needs a strategic lead assistant, but also a big man assistant who can actually help Ayton's offensive development.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:50 amHard to disagree on any of this. He definitely needed a strategic lead assistant and hasn't had one for a while. And you're spot on with Chris Paul.LazarusLong wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:43 amMonty is, sort of, Alvin Gentry 2.0, perhaps a better version, having NBA playing experience where Gentry didn't.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:44 pmBeen saying this for a while now but Ayton will be marked by inconsistency for a long time, he'll be great for a while and be terrible for a while. What's been disappointing for me is that the trend has been down, not up, this year. Think I am getting close to being done with Monty, though.
He hasn't changed. What worked for awhile was the collaboration between Paul, Booker, Monty and Willy Green.
That was the core of the team's braintrust.
Willie has left, and Paul is slowing down, but still wants considerable input.
I like the guy, but sometimes he seems a bit of a hindrance.
And, recently, of course, Booker has been sidelined.
I haven't been impressed with many of the assistants.
Mark Bryant is a decent sort, but he was a grinder, never a scorer when he played.
After that, I know there's a Mutombo on staff, but not related to Dikembe.
It seems like a collection of anonymous drones...
I don't remember Gentry being outcoached this badly on a regular basis. Monty has a basketball soul but not a basketball mind.
