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Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

Would be nice to get a draft pick or two in a trade if possible. If a trade like this goes through, we'd only have a couple of good years of making a run; one if OG is a one-year rental.

I don’t understand the wide assumption that OG would want out after a year. Here he’d be a key piece on a championship contender. He’s going to walk away from that for a short-term increase in his scoring average? By the time he’s playing for his next contract, KD will be gone or taking much less of the scoring load, so OG’s counting stats should be fine when it matters.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:19 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:42 am

But ultimately it comes down to I think big men are more easily replaceable. You can get by with a run of the mill big easier than getting by with a run of the mill wing.

We literally have 3 superstar wings. What we need is a big man.

Beal and Booker are guards…there’s also no limit on how many wings you can have. We have 3 locked in players in the starting lineup(4 with Ayton). I’d rather upgrade that 5th spot and use a downgrade at the Ayton spot. This isn’t the 90s, we don’t have to have a star big man.

Beal and Booker are both shooting guards, which is literally a wing position. (Yes, one of them may start at point guard this season.)

How is this about needing a star big man, when you said Ayton is not a star? It’s insane to me to want to downgrade at the big man position when that has been our weakest spot (4/5), outside of Ayton, for years. You are underestimating the need for bigs and rebounding.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:57 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

Would be nice to get a draft pick or two in a trade if possible. If a trade like this goes through, we'd only have a couple of good years of making a run; one if OG is a one-year rental.

Y’all really think that OG over Ayton increases our title chances for 1 year so much that it is worth taking that over a 3-year shot? That’s crazy, especially considering that any freak thing could happen in a one-year window.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:14 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:19 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:42 am

But ultimately it comes down to I think big men are more easily replaceable. You can get by with a run of the mill big easier than getting by with a run of the mill wing.

We literally have 3 superstar wings. What we need is a big man.

Beal and Booker are guards…there’s also no limit on how many wings you can have. We have 3 locked in players in the starting lineup(4 with Ayton). I’d rather upgrade that 5th spot and use a downgrade at the Ayton spot. This isn’t the 90s, we don’t have to have a star big man.

Beal and Booker are both shooting guards, which is literally a wing position. (Yes, one of them may start at point guard this season.)

How is this about needing a star big man, when you said Ayton is not a star? It’s insane to me to want to downgrade at the big man position when that has been our weakest spot (4/5), outside of Ayton, for years. You are underestimating the need for bigs and rebounding.

Semantics…to me wing is the 3 and 4, but the point is I’d give preference to a player at any position 1-4 over someone who is strictly a 5.

I’m not underestimating the need for rebounding…it’s just one of the easiest skills to replace. We could sign a guy for the minimum to rebound. You don’t pay 35 million a year for rebounding.

Also fun fact, Nurkic is a better rebounder than Ayton. I’m not arguing for playing without a big man, just that we can use our resources better. We’re not going to use Ayton the way you want him used. He’s not going to be running offense out of the post. He’s going to be a rim rolling big who is counted on to protect the rim and rebound. Get an occasional post touch when he establishes position. That’s not something you pay for 35 million for. You pay 16 million for it and spend the other 19 million on a starting wing.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:24 am

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:57 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

Would be nice to get a draft pick or two in a trade if possible. If a trade like this goes through, we'd only have a couple of good years of making a run; one if OG is a one-year rental.

Y’all really think that OG over Ayton increases our title chances for 1 year so much that it is worth taking that over a 3-year shot? That’s crazy, especially considering that any freak thing could happen in a one-year window.

Freak thing like being hit in the ribs and taking you out of a series?

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

OGW?

She beat us every time during the Colangelo era (including the BC era).

During the Sarver era, she went away. Her interference was no longer needed since the franchise was adequately self sabotaging.

Now that Sarver is gone, she may return with a vengeance.

Dude. She gone. I know it's an adjustment but things are looking up.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:24 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:14 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:19 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:42 am

But ultimately it comes down to I think big men are more easily replaceable. You can get by with a run of the mill big easier than getting by with a run of the mill wing.

We literally have 3 superstar wings. What we need is a big man.

Beal and Booker are guards…there’s also no limit on how many wings you can have. We have 3 locked in players in the starting lineup(4 with Ayton). I’d rather upgrade that 5th spot and use a downgrade at the Ayton spot. This isn’t the 90s, we don’t have to have a star big man.

Beal and Booker are both shooting guards, which is literally a wing position. (Yes, one of them may start at point guard this season.)

How is this about needing a star big man, when you said Ayton is not a star? It’s insane to me to want to downgrade at the big man position when that has been our weakest spot (4/5), outside of Ayton, for years. You are underestimating the need for bigs and rebounding.

Semantics…to me wing is the 3 and 4, but the point is I’d give preference to a player at any position 1-4 over someone who is strictly a 5.

That’s where we completely disagree. If 3 of those 4 at 1-4 are superstars we can certainly get by with a “run of the mill” player at the remaining 1-4 spot better than at the 5.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:24 am

I’m not underestimating the need for rebounding…it’s just one of the easiest skills to replace. We could sign a guy for the minimum to rebound. You don’t pay 35 million a year for rebounding.

If it’s that easy then why didn’t we do it in the last 3 years? It sure would have been nice to have another rebounder out there (especially at PF next to Ayton).

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:24 am

Also fun fact, Nurkic is a better rebounder than Ayton. I’m not arguing for playing without a big man, just that we can use our resources better.

You’ve been arguing that you would do the trade even if Nurkic doesn’t play/comes off the bench/gets played off the floor in the playoffs.

Also fun fact: Nurkic has been in the league for 9 years and has only averaged double figures in rebounding in 3 seasons (one of which was an 8-game season!). As I’m sure you’re aware, Ayton has done it in 5 out of 5.

I can't wait until training camp starts so that we can put this discussion behind us (for the time being.)

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:38 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

OGW?

She beat us every time during the Colangelo era (including the BC era).

During the Sarver era, she went away. Her interference was no longer needed since the franchise was adequately self sabotaging.

Now that Sarver is gone, she may return with a vengeance.

Dude. She gone. I know it's an adjustment but things are looking up.

Can someone please get me up to speed on this OGW thing? I’ve seen stuff about it over the years but don’t really know the story behind it.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:26 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:24 am

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:57 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

Would be nice to get a draft pick or two in a trade if possible. If a trade like this goes through, we'd only have a couple of good years of making a run; one if OG is a one-year rental.

Y’all really think that OG over Ayton increases our title chances for 1 year so much that it is worth taking that over a 3-year shot? That’s crazy, especially considering that any freak thing could happen in a one-year window.

Freak thing like being hit in the ribs and taking you out of a series?

Sure. Which is why 3-year window > 1-year window.

Greg Moore would like a word with you, Gerald.

10 potential Deandre Ayton trades to facilitate Damian Lillard blockbuster deal
by GERALD BOURGUET

https://gophnx.com/deandre-ayton-trades ... ard-trade/

At least Bourguet ends his article with this:

The Suns are currently good as is. They’ve fielded offers, but they’d be wise to only accept a no-brainer package for Deandre Ayton. Outside of landing OG Anunoby, is a deal revolving around Jusuf Nurkic, Caleb Martin and T.J. McConnell the right one?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:56 am

At least Bourguet ends his article with this:

The Suns are currently good as is. They’ve fielded offers, but they’d be wise to only accept a no-brainer package for Deandre Ayton. Outside of landing OG Anunoby, is a deal revolving around Jusuf Nurkic, Caleb Martin and T.J. McConnell the right one?

He's listened to the wise words of Split T

Some people make this assumption that media day coming up means that something HAS to happen... I'm pretty sure a team isn't looking to blow up their future because they want to have a good media day.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:38 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

OGW?

She beat us every time during the Colangelo era (including the BC era).

During the Sarver era, she went away. Her interference was no longer needed since the franchise was adequately self sabotaging.

Now that Sarver is gone, she may return with a vengeance.

Dude. She gone. I know it's an adjustment but things are looking up.

That's exactly what she wants you to think. It's the hope that kills you.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:03 am

Some people make this assumption that media day coming up means that something HAS to happen... I'm pretty sure a team isn't looking to blow up their future because they want to have a good media day.

It's not about media day per se. That just marks the beginning of training camp. It's much better to have your roster set when training camp starts. For Portland, having Dame around is a major distraction. It's best if he is gone before media day.

BKinSJC wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:10 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:38 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

OGW?

She beat us every time during the Colangelo era (including the BC era).

During the Sarver era, she went away. Her interference was no longer needed since the franchise was adequately self sabotaging.

Now that Sarver is gone, she may return with a vengeance.

Dude. She gone. I know it's an adjustment but things are looking up.

That's exactly what she wants you to think. It's the hope that kills you.

Let it go, BK! Free yourself from the shackles!

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:49 am

Greg Moore would like a word with you, Gerald.

10 potential Deandre Ayton trades to facilitate Damian Lillard blockbuster deal
by GERALD BOURGUET

https://gophnx.com/deandre-ayton-trades ... ard-trade/

Whether Lillard winds up in Toronto, Miami or another city, one thing has become clear: The Portland Trail Blazers’ interest in Deandre Ayton is genuine. Multiple sources confirmed the Blazers wanted him last summer but were unable to navigate a sign-and-trade with Phoenix. Portland views him as a legitimate cornerstone piece they could sell to their fanbase because of his youth, upside, and the fact that he was a former No. 1 overall pick.

So it was not just Indiana.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:43 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:38 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Id do a Ayton for Nurk/1 year OG rental. Book-Beal-OG-KD lineup when healthy, I just don’t know who beats that.

OGW?

She beat us every time during the Colangelo era (including the BC era).

During the Sarver era, she went away. Her interference was no longer needed since the franchise was adequately self sabotaging.

Now that Sarver is gone, she may return with a vengeance.

Dude. She gone. I know it's an adjustment but things are looking up.

Can someone please get me up to speed on this OGW thing? I’ve seen stuff about it over the years but don’t really know the story behind it.

I got you Jeremy.... "Old Gypsy Woman". It's a reference more to the suns being cursed and having to appease the "OGW" or she'll rear her ugly head.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Mon May 22, 2017 7:57 am

Do we have an official file photo of the Old Gypsy Woman?