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JCSunsfan wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 12:52 amyes i did, several months ago.Superbone wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 6:59 pmOK, good. For anybody that hasn't, like me, it's a great read and gives the full account of Luka Doncic.
Did you read it?
OK, good. For anybody that hasn't, like me, it's a great read and gives the full account of Luka Doncic and his upbringing.JCSunsfan wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 12:52 amyes i did, several months ago.
I really like the last part. If the Suns go with Ayton I hope he can at least body shame Chriss into becoming a professional.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
You should read it again. His childhood has changed a lot since then.JCSunsfan wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 12:52 amyes i did, several months ago.
Embiid is one of the best defensive centers in the game. What makes you think Ayton can just turn that on at the NBA level when he couldn't at the NCAA level?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
Who said he could "just turn it on"? Coaching, practice, and time. He's got the size, athleticism and intelligence to get there.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:06 amEmbiid is one of the best defensive centers in the game. What makes you think Ayton can just turn that on at the NBA level when he couldn't at the NCAA level?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
jonh wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:55 amAnd a single youtube highlight clip. Though to be fair, I was interested enough in the first interview to watch a second before posting.
Its probably a good thing that my personal opinion isn't going to be heavily relied on by the team come draft night. I might even take a breather from the board for the next few weeks, as there might be a lot of nothing but speculation for the next little bit.
You can bank on it. Not much else to talk about for us Suns fans. Lots of prospects coming through for workouts though. But yeah, there's going to be a whole lot of speculation up until June 21st.jonh wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:55 amAnd a single youtube highlight clip. Though to be fair, I was interested enough in the first interview to watch a second before posting.
Its probably a good thing that my personal opinion isn't going to be heavily relied on by the team come draft night. I might even take a breather from the board for the next few weeks, as there might be a lot of nothing but speculation for the next little bit.
My point is he couldn't dominate defensively in the Pac-12, which is one of the worst NCAA conferences. So why do we think, even with time, he will show DPOY-type skills at the highest level on the planet?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:40 amWho said he could "just turn it on"? Coaching, practice, and time. He's got the size, athleticism and intelligence to get there.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:06 amEmbiid is one of the best defensive centers in the game. What makes you think Ayton can just turn that on at the NBA level when he couldn't at the NCAA level?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
After how many college basketball games and bad coaching? And I answered your question above.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:05 amMy point is he couldn't dominate defensively in the Pac-12, which is one of the worst NCAA conferences. So why do we think, even with time, he will show DPOY-type skills at the highest level on the planet?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:40 amWho said he could "just turn it on"? Coaching, practice, and time. He's got the size, athleticism and intelligence to get there.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:06 amEmbiid is one of the best defensive centers in the game. What makes you think Ayton can just turn that on at the NBA level when he couldn't at the NCAA level?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
Maybe that’s a legitimate excuse, and his college performance doesn’t mean he can’t be a great NBA defender. But it certainly doesn’t mean he can. He has never shown that skill. He has the size, athleticism and work ethic, so maybe it’s possible, but he certainly hasn’t proven that he can master the skill. Any talk of him becoming a DPOY-level defender is wildly speculative at best.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:20 amAfter how many college basketball games and bad coaching? And I answered your question above.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:05 amMy point is he couldn't dominate defensively in the Pac-12, which is one of the worst NCAA conferences. So why do we think, even with time, he will show DPOY-type skills at the highest level on the planet?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:40 amWho said he could "just turn it on"? Coaching, practice, and time. He's got the size, athleticism and intelligence to get there.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:06 amEmbiid is one of the best defensive centers in the game. What makes you think Ayton can just turn that on at the NBA level when he couldn't at the NCAA level?Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 amHaving said that, I've been listening to Ayton's high school coach, his college coach, and James Jones and I am now full on team Ayton for our #1 draft pick. The guy is just too big and strong and skilled and continues to get better at every level as well as doesn't miss a workout. He's my guy. Make it so, McD. I think he may be better than Joel Embiid without the injuries and who wouldn't want that?
Check out the Sean Miller interview on the new Suns app podcast, The Outlet when you get a chance (near the end). He was asked about Ayton's defensive capabilities.Cap wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:10 amMaybe that’s a legitimate excuse, and his college performance doesn’t mean he can’t be a great NBA defender. But it certainly doesn’t mean he can. He has never shown that skill. He has the size, athleticism and work ethic, so maybe it’s possible, but he certainly hasn’t proven that he can master the skill. Any talk of him becoming a DPOY-level defender is wildly speculative at best.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:20 amAfter how many college basketball games and bad coaching? And I answered your question above.Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 9:05 amMy point is he couldn't dominate defensively in the Pac-12, which is one of the worst NCAA conferences. So why do we think, even with time, he will show DPOY-type skills at the highest level on the planet?
And BTW, I still thInk his size is a little overrated. Standing reach and wingspan are more relevant measures of size than height and weight. By those measures, he’s considerably smaller than guys like Gobert and Bamba.