Around the League: The Off-season

[Wormwood]

Utah did very well. I'm really not happy about the Suns standing pat, or waiting for Rubio to fall out at the end of free agency. Sure, he's an improvement, but he's probably only good for a 22-25 win season.

[Indy]

Warren for Dinwiddie. Please.

Yeah, I would even do Warren and MIL's pick, or even pick swap with BRK next year for it.

[specialsauce]

Conley to Utah according to Shams.

Sounds like a reasonable deal the Suns could have matched.

Sigh. We just stand pat and watch every other team aggressively improve their roster

[In2ition]

Conley to Utah according to Shams.

Sounds like a reasonable deal the Suns could have matched.

Sigh. We just stand pat and watch every other team aggressively improve their roster

James sits back and says, "I will not be pressured. Patience...."

[The Bobster]

Who knows? They may have been doing Conley a favor by trying to place him on a contender. It seems like the perfect fit for him.

[Indy]

Who knows? They may have been doing Conley a favor by trying to place him on a contender. It seems like the perfect fit for him.

Exactly. They have been pretty vocal about doing what they can for their players.

[Shabazz]

Fucking balls. I really hate being a Suns fan. He was totally gettable.

[Split T]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

[Shabazz]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

[Indy]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

Because they got rid of Conley's 67M/2 years and now are only on the hook for a total of 12 million. Utah saved them 55M in just two years, and gave them two picks.

[Indy]

And I love Conley, but I can't see him playing until 37.

[Split T]

Good fit for Dallas

[specialsauce]

Good fit for Dallas

Of course. Cuban is a man on a mission. You just knew they weren’t going to be down for long. Man I wish he owned the Suns.

[specialsauce]

Doncic KP Horford is a great start

[Indy]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

The more I sit with this the more upset I am that we didn't find a way to get him. I would give up 2 picks for him if they were as protected as what Utah sent. But I also don't think we had anywhere near the savings they got. I keep looking at our contracts and if they wanted to clear every last bit of Conley's salary by the end of this coming season, and clear as much cap space as possible, what could we have offered?

[specialsauce]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

The more I sit with this the more upset I am that we didn't find a way to get him. I would give up 2 picks for him if they were as protected as what Utah sent. But I also don't think we had anywhere near the savings they got. I keep looking at our contracts and if they wanted to clear every last bit of Conley's salary by the end of this coming season, and clear as much cap space as possible, what could we have offered?

The sixth pick.

We can’t offer salary relief as much, but we could certainly get close and have given a better pick.

The sixth pick is well worth Mike Conley for 3-4 years.

[Indy]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

The more I sit with this the more upset I am that we didn't find a way to get him. I would give up 2 picks for him if they were as protected as what Utah sent. But I also don't think we had anywhere near the savings they got. I keep looking at our contracts and if they wanted to clear every last bit of Conley's salary by the end of this coming season, and clear as much cap space as possible, what could we have offered?

The sixth pick.

We can’t offer salary relief as much, but we could certainly get close and have given a better pick.

The sixth pick is well worth Mike Conley for 3-4 years.

I am not sure they see someone there at 6 that they like as much as the cash savings to go after FAs. And Conley only has 2 years on his contract.

[Indy]

And of course the 6th pick is worth 2 year of Conley.

[specialsauce]

And of course the 6th pick is worth 2 year of Conley.

I wouldn’t trade for Conley with intentions of him only being around for 2 years. I agree with above his game translates well to playing into his mid 30s.

[Shabazz]

Utah gave up a decent amount. They would have wanted warren, Tyler and two firsts. Too much for a veteran presence that would be gone when we’re ready to contend.

They gave up garbage. Salary ballast, the 21st pick in last years draft, the 23rd pick in this bad draft and a protected future first.

I wouldn't have had a problem giving up Warren/Jackson, Tyler, Okobo/Melton, the Milwaukee pick and the same protections on future picks. How is that not a better offer?

And there's no reason Conley couldn't play for us for 5 more seasons. He still playing at an incredibly high level. Once his mega-contract is done, you resign him to a more reasonable one.

The more I sit with this the more upset I am that we didn't find a way to get him. I would give up 2 picks for him if they were as protected as what Utah sent. But I also don't think we had anywhere near the savings they got. I keep looking at our contracts and if they wanted to clear every last bit of Conley's salary by the end of this coming season, and clear as much cap space as possible, what could we have offered?

The sixth pick.

We can’t offer salary relief as much, but we could certainly get close and have given a better pick.

The sixth pick is well worth Mike Conley for 3-4 years.

If we offered Tyler (expiring), Jackson (they decline his option) and Melton, they would have no salary beyond next season. Add the Milwaukee pick and next year's protected first and Memphis clears $34M for '20-21, gains 2 draft picks and gets a look at 2 young players that both fit the Grit-n-Grind model. Memphis could probably also re-route Jackson to a 3rd team for draft considerations if the space was more important to them.