Suns News: Week 17 2/16-2/22

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It's to his benefit to be traded to a team he wants to sign with so his bird rights can transfer and he can get an extra year and $20M on his deal.

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Getting traded now is the only way he can get 5/100 from anyone other than the Suns. You can't do it in a sign-and-trade.
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I will seriously go insane if I have to read you absolve Goran of blame and put this on McDonough for the next year.
why not? who drafted ennis, then signed IT, the overpaid for bledsoe while still having dragic and goodwin under contract?

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Cap wrote:Getting traded now is the only way he can get 5/100 from anyone other than the Suns. You can't do it in a sign-and-trade.
he's not worth 100 million.

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SDC wrote:
Cap wrote:Getting traded now is the only way he can get 5/100 from anyone other than the Suns. You can't do it in a sign-and-trade.
he's not worth 100 million.
You're missing the point entirely. He's thinking he will get 5/100 from these teams. The only way he can be offered it from a team not named the Suns is to be traded before the deadline. Even if the Lakers wanted to offer him 5/100 in the offseason, they couldn't. Unless they trade for him now. It's to his financial benefit to be traded now. It doesn't matter what you think he's worth.
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Shabazz wrote:It's to his benefit to be traded to a team he wants to sign with so his bird rights can transfer and he can get an extra year and $20M on his deal.
but the other teams dont need dragic's bird rights to sign him

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SDC wrote:
Shabazz wrote:It's to his benefit to be traded to a team he wants to sign with so his bird rights can transfer and he can get an extra year and $20M on his deal.
but the other teams dont need dragic's bird rights to sign him
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EDC wrote: Suns need to be careful about what they promise. You go back on enough of them and people get pissed off.

None of it really matters I guess. I have a hard time backing the front office in this situation when they seem to think our offense is running well. Coaches comments make it seem like he is happy with the way the ball is being moved out on the court. We have talked about the bad offensive sets from almost day one of the season on this board.

He will be traded and it sucks but there is no going back now.
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SDC wrote:see, here's the thing. that last meeting of the minds with the mcdo wasnt his idea but the suns FO. (JUST LOOK AT THE TIMING!!!!) unless you have proof otherwise (which you DONT). why would he want to do move to a tanking LAL or NY now when he can just wait till the season is over?
Every single media outlet reported that the meeting between McDonough and Duffy was so Goran could request a trade through his agent. You are suggesting the Suns called the meeting and during the meeting Duffy just so happened to request the trade, which was exactly what the Suns wanted all along, even though that is contrary to everything written about it. Before news broke of what Dragic requested in the meeting Woj & Coro were both reporting the Suns preference was to be able to re-sign him this Summer. Mate, nothing you're saying makes any sense right now.
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specialsauce wrote:At least Bledsoe kept his mouth shut throughout the whole offseason
Easier to disappear in the offseason than during the regular season.

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wpmiller42 wrote:The worst thing about this how it looks like we run a very undisciplined organization. How is Thomas going to react now that it's out in the open that we would get rid of him if that's what it took to keep Goran?
That's a great point.

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carey wrote:My take right now is this, there's been a chemistry issue this year and it's starting to look like that issue was Goran Dragic.
A theory well-fueled by the always reputable RealGM insiders.

Anyways, we'll see what happens once Dragic is traded. That should tell us a lot.

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Another Goran update from CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... -the-theme
This still doesn't explain all the hard feelings from Dragic, the sense of betrayal, the fact that he'd rather play in the triangle offense which will bury his gifts beyond all visible impact or with the Lakers for the highest-volume shooting guard of all time in Kobe Bryant. It doesn't explain why Dragic's team leaked his preferred locations or the results of the meeting, effectively scuttling the Suns' leverage. (OK, some of that you can guess why it went down, but it's not known for sure).

And it doesn't explain why Phoenix is still broadcasting that they want to make a run at trading Isaiah Thomas and convince Dragic to stay no matter how poisoned the well may seem.

The Suns seem to be dealing with an untenable situation with Dragic, one that's sure to test their organizational resolve. Perhaps the most remarkable perspective on all this is that 18 months ago, the Suns were expected to be a bottom-feeding rebuilding team. Instead, they found themselves chasing a playoff spot last year and entered the All-Star Break in pole position for one this season. Yet Thursday could bring changes that dramatically alter their franchise course.
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Amateur hour.

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Oh really? tweet of the night

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/568278676086910976

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Yeah, FF. File that one under "duh."
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specialsauce wrote:At least Bledsoe kept his mouth shut throughout the whole offseason
Easier to disappear in the offseason than during the regular season.
Did Bledsoe say anything at all during the season last year about his impending free agency?

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SDC wrote:
carey wrote:
SDC wrote:here's what dragic said a few weeks ago.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... ee-agency/
“Every team in the NBA is an option to me, because it is a privilege to play for any team in the NBA. When the time comes I’m going to sit down with my family and my agent and try to make the best decision for myself.”

Dragic said he has not given more specific thought to his decision, preferring to focus on the season, other than that he will be a free agent this year.

“Right now, I’m so focused to play those 38 games left of the regular season and hopefully we’re going to make the playoffs,” Dragic said. “Right now is no time to think about the free agency because I want to be focused. I want to help my teammates.
perfectly willing to finish his season, then walk away. doesnt make any sense for dragic to demand a trade to NY, LAL before the trade deadline because it gets him nothing. OTOH, trading somebody who might walk away after the deadline gets you "assets", 2nd round picks, expiring contracts. :lol:
I will do my best not to call you any names. But you're trying to hang this on McDonough solely. That bold part that Dragic said is exactly why every fan is upset at Goran right now. It was a boldfaced lie. He's been "feeling this for 2 years" and was apparently just putting on a good show for the media. Then he comes in and does the exact opposite of what he's been saying all season long. Do you see why the fans are upset? I will seriously go insane if I have to read you absolve Goran of blame and put this on McDonough for the next year.
see, here's the thing. that last meeting of the minds with the mcdo wasnt his idea but the suns FO. (JUST LOOK AT THE TIMING!!!!) unless you have proof otherwise (which you DONT). why would he want to do move to a tanking LAL or NY now when he can just wait till the season is over?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--s ... 09795.html
Suns owner Robert Sarver and his management staff, Lon Babby and Ryan McDonough,felt blindsided by the trade request on Tuesday night within two days of the deadline, league sources said.Sarver has had a long relationship with Dragic's agent, Bill Duffy, which included a successful partnership with Steve Nash. There's a tremendous amount of acrimony because of Dragic's timing of telling management he wouldn't sign an extension. It has left the Suns scrambling, with little time to cobble a deal together.

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carey wrote:Another Goran update from CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... -the-theme
This still doesn't explain all the hard feelings from Dragic, the sense of betrayal, the fact that he'd rather play in the triangle offense which will bury his gifts beyond all visible impact or with the Lakers for the highest-volume shooting guard of all time in Kobe Bryant. It doesn't explain why Dragic's team leaked his preferred locations or the results of the meeting, effectively scuttling the Suns' leverage. (OK, some of that you can guess why it went down, but it's not known for sure).

And it doesn't explain why Phoenix is still broadcasting that they want to make a run at trading Isaiah Thomas and convince Dragic to stay no matter how poisoned the well may seem.

The Suns seem to be dealing with an untenable situation with Dragic, one that's sure to test their organizational resolve. Perhaps the most remarkable perspective on all this is that 18 months ago, the Suns were expected to be a bottom-feeding rebuilding team. Instead, they found themselves chasing a playoff spot last year and entered the All-Star Break in pole position for one this season. Yet Thursday could bring changes that dramatically alter their franchise course.
I don't even know what to think anymore about this situation. I'm mad at Goran because of the team's success we had last year proves that him and Bledsoe can co-exist, but I'm also mad at the Suns for ignoring his requests to change the roster to suit him better. It feels like we haven't had a competent front office since 2004-2005.

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specialsauce wrote:
INFORMER wrote:
specialsauce wrote:At least Bledsoe kept his mouth shut throughout the whole offseason
Easier to disappear in the offseason than during the regular season.
Did Bledsoe say anything at all during the season last year about his impending free agency?
What would be the point? He wanted to get paid. And he did.

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