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JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:08 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:48 am

He’s more of a max player to me than Ayton is. I would pay him it…

Lol. For a 4th option? I’m sure you were one of the ones in 2021 or 2022 saying we can’t pay the max for a 3rd option!

It was more about Ayton personally than paying a 3rd option the max. Ayton became much harder to trade on that max deal and we’ve seen at least 1 team say no thanks(2 if you believe Washington didn’t want him). I do cringe with OG getting his max(44 million), that’s too much, but there is one other key difference as well. We already have our 3 stars on supermax deals. Paying someone else a bunch of money now doesn’t impact our ability to pay other players. We won’t have money to spend regardless, so this is literally just coming out of Ishbia’s pocket. I also have more confidence that he’ll spend. Ayton was signing a max under Sarver.

There's no way you pay OG more than $22-$25/year on his next contract.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:25 am

There's no way you pay OG more than $22-$25/year on his next contract.

100%.... You'd think but the market for players, compounded by the salary cap increases year over year keep these players salaries astronomical. It's mind-blowing.

Am I wrong to think of OG as kinda like Bridges? They seem like very similar players from what I've gathered from reading on this forum. If that's the case wouldn't he be worth similar value as Bridges? I think you're pretty dead on Shel.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:47 am

Why is everyone so enthralled by Anunoby? He is a 17 and 5 guy in his best year and he has been in the league for 6 years. Ayton is an 18 and 10 guy when he is sleepwalking. And Nurkic is a few steps back that can’t even be played in the playoffs. And you’re talking about having to max Anunoby with those numbers? Why is this a discussion?

Because he's one the best perimeter defenders in the NBA and definitely one of the few who can guard 5 positions. He's someone you can put on Giannis or Curry. That versatility unlocks some exciting potential lineup combinations.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:24 am

Ummm, yeah. But we're pot committed at this point.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:36 am

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:24 am

Ummm, yeah. But we're pot committed at this point.

Horse soup or bust.

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:27 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:47 am

Why is everyone so enthralled by Anunoby? He is a 17 and 5 guy in his best year and he has been in the league for 6 years. Ayton is an 18 and 10 guy when he is sleepwalking. And Nurkic is a few steps back that can’t even be played in the playoffs. And you’re talking about having to max Anunoby with those numbers? Why is this a discussion?

You are getting hung up on box score numbers that don’t mean much. Also Ayton is definitely not an 18/10 guy when he’s sleepwalking…he’s an 8/6 guy.

He didn’t have a single game with 8 or fewer points and 6 or fewer rebounds in the 2023 playoffs, and had only one game with that combined PTSREBS amount of 14 or lower.

In the regular season (not counting the couple games where he left early in the game with injuries), he had a total of 3 games with 8/6 or worse (2 of which were blowout wins). (5 total games with the combined 14 or worse.)

So this proves that either you think he is way worse than he actually is, or you’re admitting that he only sleepwalked for around 3 to 5 games last year.

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:39 am

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:36 am

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:24 am

Ummm, yeah. But we're pot committed at this point.

Horse soup or bust.

Mmm. It's good horse soup. Not chunky in the least. I've never had such tender horse meat before.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:27 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:47 am

Why is everyone so enthralled by Anunoby? He is a 17 and 5 guy in his best year and he has been in the league for 6 years. Ayton is an 18 and 10 guy when he is sleepwalking. And Nurkic is a few steps back that can’t even be played in the playoffs. And you’re talking about having to max Anunoby with those numbers? Why is this a discussion?

You are getting hung up on box score numbers that don’t mean much. Also Ayton is definitely not an 18/10 guy when he’s sleepwalking…he’s an 8/6 guy.

He didn’t have a single game with 8 or fewer points and 6 or fewer rebounds in the 2023 playoffs, and had only one game with that combined PTSREBS amount of 14 or lower.

In the regular season (not counting the couple games where he left early in the game with injuries), he had a total of 3 games with 8/6 or worse (2 of which were blowout wins). (5 total games with the combined 14 or worse.)

So this proves that either you think he is way worse than he actually is, or you’re admitting that he only sleepwalked for around 3 to 5 games last year.

It was an exaggeration…let’s say 12/8…he can sleepwalk his way to that. Had 13 of those games last year(counting playoffs).

He’s certainly not an 18/10 guy in his sleep. He only did that 24 times in 77 games(including playoffs).

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:08 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:48 am

He’s more of a max player to me than Ayton is. I would pay him it…

Lol. For a 4th option? I’m sure you were one of the ones in 2021 or 2022 saying we can’t pay the max for a 3rd option!

It was more about Ayton personally than paying a 3rd option the max.

Thank you for finally admitting that.

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

Ayton became much harder to trade on that max deal and we’ve seen at least 1 team say no thanks(2 if you believe Washington didn’t want him).

Why would I believe something 100% contrary to the facts? Washington asked for Ayton and Phoenix refused to give him up.

Also, show me any evidence that we offered Ayton to Brooklyn?

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

I do cringe with OG getting his max(44 million), that’s too much, but there is one other key difference as well. We already have our 3 stars on supermax deals. Paying someone else a bunch of money now doesn’t impact our ability to pay other players. We won’t have money to spend regardless, so this is literally just coming out of Ishbia’s pocket. I also have more confidence that he’ll spend. Ayton was signing a max under Sarver.

Just this summer you were saying that we shouldn’t keep Ayton at the max as a 4th option because we needed more depth, and that we needed to get below the second apron. Now all the sudden none of that matters because it’s OG instead of DA?

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:56 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:27 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:47 am

Why is everyone so enthralled by Anunoby? He is a 17 and 5 guy in his best year and he has been in the league for 6 years. Ayton is an 18 and 10 guy when he is sleepwalking. And Nurkic is a few steps back that can’t even be played in the playoffs. And you’re talking about having to max Anunoby with those numbers? Why is this a discussion?

You are getting hung up on box score numbers that don’t mean much. Also Ayton is definitely not an 18/10 guy when he’s sleepwalking…he’s an 8/6 guy.

He didn’t have a single game with 8 or fewer points and 6 or fewer rebounds in the 2023 playoffs, and had only one game with that combined PTSREBS amount of 14 or lower.

In the regular season (not counting the couple games where he left early in the game with injuries), he had a total of 3 games with 8/6 or worse (2 of which were blowout wins). (5 total games with the combined 14 or worse.)

So this proves that either you think he is way worse than he actually is, or you’re admitting that he only sleepwalked for around 3 to 5 games last year.

It was an exaggeration…let’s say 12/8…he can sleepwalk his way to that. Had 13 of those games last year(counting playoffs).

He’s certainly not an 18/10 guy in his sleep. He only did that 24 times in 77 games(including playoffs).

Nice. So 8 out of the 10 playoff games he did not sleepwalk, and the only 2 games where he sleepwalked were both Suns wins.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:45 am

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:39 am

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:36 am

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:24 am

Ummm, yeah. But we're pot committed at this point.

Horse soup or bust.

Mmm. It's good horse soup. Not chunky in the least. I've never had such tender horse meat before.

At this rate it's just going to spontaneously combust...

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:08 am

I don’t know, it seems inevitable to me…I just worry about the return. I’m preparing for it to be something like Nurkic and Little or someone on that level.

I know you want Ayton gone, but you’re misreading the situation.

The Suns are not shopping Ayton. They are not looking to trade him. Portland highly covets Ayton and wants him included in a Dame deal. The Suns are simply telling Portland that this is going nowhere if you don’t include Sharpe (as an example, per Flex).

They are not going to trade Ayton just to get rid of him. There is no reason to think that anything has changed in this regard from July. In fact, the opposite is likely true: the Suns value him even more after the Bahamas tournament.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:57 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:08 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:48 am

He’s more of a max player to me than Ayton is. I would pay him it…

Lol. For a 4th option? I’m sure you were one of the ones in 2021 or 2022 saying we can’t pay the max for a 3rd option!

It was more about Ayton personally than paying a 3rd option the max.

Thank you for finally admitting that.

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

Ayton became much harder to trade on that max deal and we’ve seen at least 1 team say no thanks(2 if you believe Washington didn’t want him).

Why would I believe something 100% contrary to the facts? Washington asked for Ayton and Phoenix refused to give him up.

Also, show me any evidence that we offered Ayton to Brooklyn?

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:18 am

I do cringe with OG getting his max(44 million), that’s too much, but there is one other key difference as well. We already have our 3 stars on supermax deals. Paying someone else a bunch of money now doesn’t impact our ability to pay other players. We won’t have money to spend regardless, so this is literally just coming out of Ishbia’s pocket. I also have more confidence that he’ll spend. Ayton was signing a max under Sarver.

Just this summer you were saying that we shouldn’t keep Ayton at the max as a 4th option because we needed more depth, and that we needed to get below the second apron. Now all the sudden none of that matters because it’s OG instead of DA?

Finally admitting it? I’ve never hid that I’m not the biggest Ayton fan.

As for Washington and Ayton…it depends on how you interpret the reports. But that’s why I listed it with a disclaimer. Also there was tons of reports that Brooklyn had no interest in Ayton, I’m not going to dig them up. You can find them if you want.

And yes, my idea for getting depth was to trade him for multiple pieces and waive CP3 to be able to use the exceptions. I didn’t expect Beal and the vet min signings we pulled off..

So Gambo was right

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:17 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:08 am

I don’t know, it seems inevitable to me…I just worry about the return. I’m preparing for it to be something like Nurkic and Little or someone on that level.

I know you want Ayton gone, but you’re misreading the situation.

The Suns are not shopping Ayton. They are not looking to trade him. Portland highly covets Ayton and wants him included in a Dame deal. The Suns are simply telling Portland that this is going nowhere if you don’t include Sharpe (as an example, per Flex).

They are not going to trade Ayton just to get rid of him. There is no reason to think that anything has changed in this regard from July. In fact, the opposite is likely true: the Suns value him even more after the Bahamas tournament.

About that…

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:20 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:17 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:08 am

I don’t know, it seems inevitable to me…I just worry about the return. I’m preparing for it to be something like Nurkic and Little or someone on that level.

I know you want Ayton gone, but you’re misreading the situation.

The Suns are not shopping Ayton. They are not looking to trade him. Portland highly covets Ayton and wants him included in a Dame deal. The Suns are simply telling Portland that this is going nowhere if you don’t include Sharpe (as an example, per Flex).

They are not going to trade Ayton just to get rid of him. There is no reason to think that anything has changed in this regard from July. In fact, the opposite is likely true: the Suns value him even more after the Bahamas tournament.

About that…

Ishbia is way stupider than I thought.

WOW! Didn't see Milwaukee getting Dame... Holy shit. Oh, and Ayton got traded?!?!!? WHAT!?!?!?!

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:17 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:08 am

I don’t know, it seems inevitable to me…I just worry about the return. I’m preparing for it to be something like Nurkic and Little or someone on that level.

I know you want Ayton gone, but you’re misreading the situation.

The Suns are not shopping Ayton. They are not looking to trade him. Portland highly covets Ayton and wants him included in a Dame deal. The Suns are simply telling Portland that this is going nowhere if you don’t include Sharpe (as an example, per Flex).

I don’t see how Sharpe fills a big need for us.

(Not necessarily your obligation to defend the idea, J; I understand you’re just reporting what Flex said.)