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Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:28 am

I honestly don't understand why Biden hasn't just packed the Supreme Court. I think he's too old-school and timid to do it, but, it's just about the only way the liberals are going to get any influence on that Court for a generation (or more) to come. It's probably too late now.

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

Take the now-classic example of a president ordering Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival. According to the logic of the Republicans on the Supreme Court, that would likely be an official act. According to their logic, there is also no way to prove it’s “unofficial,” because any conversation the president has with their military advisers (where, for instance, the president tells them why they want a particular person assassinated) is official and cannot be used against them.

“The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution,” Sotomayor wrote.

“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.

“Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.

“Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.”

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:52 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

I'll be honest. It has given me pause on my current plan to purchase a house soon in AZ. My CA house hits the market this weekend. Maybe I should just move to the Philippines. I could live like a king there.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:28 am

I honestly don't understand why Biden hasn't just packed the Supreme Court.

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:59 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:52 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

I'll be honest. It has given me pause on my current plan to purchase a house soon in AZ. My CA house hits the market this weekend. Maybe I should just move to the Philippines. I could live like a king there.

Vietnam or Thailand. The Philippines are dangerous.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:47 am

I just think the country is being changed in fundamental and semi-permanent ways that will be hard for Democrats to ever undo. A century's worth of progress is being undone. I think we're being set up for right-wing dominance of all three branches of government for decades to come. America is on the verge of falling into being a right-wing nation. If that's what it becomes, I don't want to be part of it. Canada would be the safest choice to flee to, but I don't know how hard it is to get citizenship for myself and my family. It's not far from Seattle, so maybe I could eventually convince my wife that it'd be close enough that we could still visit her side of the family.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:43 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:59 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:52 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:53 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 am

I just don't understand how this is even possible. The President is now above the law. Biden could literally order Seal Team 6 to take out Trump and it would be legal.

Future historians will equate this with Dred Scott at the very best, and will say that it marks the end of American democracy at the very worst.

How is the US anything better than an authoritarian state now?

I honestly think this is the end of America. Trump is on track to win in Nov, and when he does, that's the end game. He'll never leave, and in his second term he'll cause untold damage. He'll probably appoint 1-2 more SCOTUS Justices, so we'll have a 7-2 or even 8-1 conservative majority there. And I think the GOP will win both the House and Senate, so they'll have no real check on their power. The US is about to become a conservative fascist country. I am thinking about options to move if Trump wins, though I don't think my wife will go for it.

I'll be honest. It has given me pause on my current plan to purchase a house soon in AZ. My CA house hits the market this weekend. Maybe I should just move to the Philippines. I could live like a king there.

Vietnam or Thailand. The Philippines are dangerous.

Seriously?! I was planning on visiting in the not-too-distant future. How do Vietnam and Thailand compare?

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:07 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:47 am

I just think the country is being changed in fundamental and semi-permanent ways that will be hard for Democrats to ever undo. A century's worth of progress is being undone. I think we're being set up for right-wing dominance of all three branches of government for decades to come. America is on the verge of falling into being a right-wing nation. If that's what it becomes, I don't want to be part of it. Canada would be the safest choice to flee to, but I don't know how hard it is to get citizenship for myself and my family. It's not far from Seattle, so maybe I could eventually convince my wife that it'd be close enough that we could still visit her side of the family.

Hang in they Marty…. I get the frustration but we do have elections every 4 years and things can change. Heck the election hasn’t even happened and lord knows so much can change before November. I still know people that no matter how bad Biden is, they’ll never vote for trump.

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:43 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:59 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:52 am

Vietnam or Thailand. The Philippines are dangerous.

Seriously?! I was planning on visiting in the not-too-distant future. How do Vietnam and Thailand compare?

People disappear in the Philippines, held for ransom or just killed. In contrast, VN and TH are generally far, far safer than the US. Indeed, I hesitate to call Thailand a developing country anymore. It's really close to being developed.