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I could be wrong but I don’t think the deal technically works if Saric replaces Crowder financially. That’s why I don’t believe it. We need 36 million for the bare minimum salary that we could trade, and Saric instead of Crowder is just under that. That 900k extra Jae makes is the difference maker to make the deal barely work. Adding Saric to the deal actually makes it nearly even money but with the nets paying little under million more. If Tsai worked Ishbia is convincing him to eat the 40 million tax deal lolSplit T wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:10 amI think we like to think that if we held out just a little bit longer maybe we could’ve held onto Bridges….I really think that’s not true.. I believe Brooklyn was fully prepared to keep KD if we didn’t offer Mikal. I don’t think there was even a negotiation without Mikal. They literally turned down a 4 1sts offer for him.
Now is it possible Ishbia got worked a bit and had to include Crowder instead of Saric? Ya I can believe that..I don’t think Brooklyn is blowing up the deal over Crowder…in fact they just moved him for a bunch of 2nds anyways. We could’ve said, no Crowder, but we’ll include a couple 2nds and I bet Brooklyn says yes.
It does make you wonder what our Crowder deal was… maybe Connaughton? Not gonna lie, he’d look decent as our 5th starter.
If only KD didn’t like playing basketball so much and had threatened to sit out.Split T wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:25 amYa but they kinda had the leverage…they had the best player and KD wasn’t actually causing problems anymore. He requested to be traded to the suns but he understood they weren’t trading him if we didn’t meet the asking price. We need KD…
That being said, it would have felt a little better if we got one concession…like a top 4 protection on that 2029 pick…or Saric instead of Crowder…or getting Royce O’Neale back
He's missed 28 of 58 games so far. So almost half the season. No major injury but lots of little things. Seems to be the type that won't play if he has a bruise.
He probably should have played Stix more. But for most of his time here, Stix was hard to leave on the court. He made a lot of mistakes and often disappeared during games. It wasn't like he was some All-NBA player stuck on our bench. The point where he started to "get it" and started to really contribute positively happened right at the end of his time on the Suns. Coach probably should have seen that and played him more, but given what we were trying to do as a team and given the very mediocre to poor play of Stix up to that point, I get it.
You already know the answer to this. He's part of the anti Ayton coalition lol.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:41 pmHe probably should have played Stix more. But for most of his time here, Stix was hard to leave on the court. He made a lot of mistakes and often disappeared during games. It wasn't like he was some All-NBA player stuck on our bench. The point where he started to "get it" and started to really contribute positively happened right at the end of his time on the Suns. Coach probably should have seen that and played him more, but given what we were trying to do as a team and given the very mediocre to poor play of Stix up to that point, I get it.
Even this season, Stix isn't exactly tearing it up. He's averaging 9.3 ppg on .463 / .277 / .765 splits, 5.7 reb, 1.0 ast, 0.8 blk in 18.7 minutes per game. Is that a crushing loss for the Suns? Meh. That 27.7% 3pt is especially rough.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... hja04.html
Also, Monty Williams isn't the one who traded Stix. Maybe he didn't play him much, but ultimately Coach isn't the one who ships him out. So I don't think you can put 100% blame on him for how that situation turned out.
Also also, I notice you routinely call our coach "Monty." I don't know if you mean anything by it, but to me it's a bit of a dig at him. You never call him "Coach" or "Coach Monty" or "Coach Williams" or even "Monty Williams." It's always "Monty." Are you on a first name basis with the guy? Or do you just not respect him as a coach?
They should put it in their contract that they are a package deal. Just don't do to them what Saver did to the Morii.
Yeah, we definitely want a defensive player in the 5th slot. Warren needs to come off the bench. But yeah, I can see Monty starting Craig over Okogie. But I won't be mad at it.Wally_West wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:42 amYeah, I think he should our 5th starter. I know Monty will stubbornly Keep Craig too see if it works first but Okogie makes too much sense. Even if he goes back to terrible shooting and teams leave him open, so what? If teams don’t want guard Okogie at the perimeter, then so be it, just have drive hard to the basket every time then and put pressure on the rim. Slam that shit down their throats, he’ll either get fouled, miss and give Ayton the opportunity for offensive rebound, or they collapse on him, then he can pass out to an open shooter.
His defense is just too good, he can be a PJ Tucker type, a guy who just does all the dirty work gets 8-10pts a game.
I think JJ needs a little bit of an apology from many here that said he was just sitting on his hands. I think a little bit of eating of crow is in order. There was a larger play all along. He was playing chess while many here were playing checkers. We ended up with one of the top players in the history of NBA basketball.Wally_West wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:00 amI could be wrong but I don’t think the deal technically works if Saric replaces Crowder financially. That’s why I don’t believe it. We need 36 million for the bare minimum salary that we could trade, and Saric instead of Crowder is just under that. That 900k extra Jae makes is the difference maker to make the deal barely work. Adding Saric to the deal actually makes it nearly even money but with the nets paying little under million more. If Tsai worked Ishbia is convincing him to eat the 40 million tax deal lolSplit T wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:10 amI think we like to think that if we held out just a little bit longer maybe we could’ve held onto Bridges….I really think that’s not true.. I believe Brooklyn was fully prepared to keep KD if we didn’t offer Mikal. I don’t think there was even a negotiation without Mikal. They literally turned down a 4 1sts offer for him.
Now is it possible Ishbia got worked a bit and had to include Crowder instead of Saric? Ya I can believe that..I don’t think Brooklyn is blowing up the deal over Crowder…in fact they just moved him for a bunch of 2nds anyways. We could’ve said, no Crowder, but we’ll include a couple 2nds and I bet Brooklyn says yes.
It does make you wonder what our Crowder deal was… maybe Connaughton? Not gonna lie, he’d look decent as our 5th starter.
This is exactly why I think JJ waited so long to trade Crowder…IN CASE THEY COULD GET KD AT THE DEADLINE. His salary makes any KD deal easier.
I’m sure they was a bunch of little things they had to negotiate but I just think the main thing was trying to keep Mikal bridges, and because this was exclusive between us and the nets, that means we couldn’t try to get a 3rd team to to help facilitate a trade where we kept Mikal. Trying to bring a 3rd team brought too much risk of leaks that could ultimately blew up any deal.
So in the end, we gave up Mikal.
