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Superbone wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 9:30 pm

I love his enthusiasm but he came in and made a mess. Firing Vogel is a move in the right direction but I still feel pretty hopeless as a fan.

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I think Delon Wright will be high on our priority list this summer.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

Playing our players in their best positions leaves us massively unbalanced. (non starters in brackets)

When we play them in their 'secondary' roles we are unbalanced as they are not as good in those roles and we are just playing whack a mole.

I think the different needs people have talked about have the same priority as only fixing one still leaves us short of a championship.

Point and PF are clear weaknesses. As is back up Center.

If any of the Point or PF are also solid defenders that helps on the boards from the PF and possibly POA from the point. Beal being 6th man in that situation gives you some firepower from the bench other teams would love to have, but you need that starting 5 to be as competitive without Beal in it.

If we keep trying to shoehorn players into roles they are less likely to excel in, you will have the same results.

Point Guard: (Thomas) (S.Lee)

Shooting Guard: Booker, Beal, (Gordon)

Small Forward: KD, Allen, O'Neale (Lee) (Okogie) (Little)

Power Forward: (Bol) (Young) (Roddy) (Waingwright)

Center: Nurkic (Eubanks) (Azubuike)

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

So you want a starting pg? Do you still envision starting that pg alongside Book, Beal, and KD?

In a perfect world we’d get a PF that plays pg and can be a small ball 5…3 birds with one stone. That doesn’t exist unless you think LeBron is an option.

Beal to the bench would allow for a starting pg, but who are we benching Beal for? He’s not gonna come off the bench for some vet min scrub.

Maybe we can teach Grayson to be a pg.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 9:36 pm

Probably third.

1. Starter quality POA defender
2. Playable Center
3. Playable Point Guard

In a perfect world, they could work a miracle and take care of #1 and #3 with the same player.

I think we need to fix our rebounding and energy even more than a point guard.

1. A legit PF/C - that means a guy with length and a motor than will not stop. He will box out, go for every rebound and not be afraid to dive on the floor if necessary to keep a possession.
2. A defensive 3 point specialist with a nasty streak like Jae Crowder.
3. A point guard to come off the bench for limited minutes.

I am interested to see what position the new person in the front office will get. Head of basketball or GM. Hopefully James Jones is demoted. Preferably let go.

Agree we need a point guard. I think more for 15-20 minutes a game.
Having a starting lineup of PG-Beal-Book-KD-C is going to be a nightmare defensively unless you can add the PG and C spots as defensive players but I doubt you can find a starting caliber PG that can distribute and play good D and a starting caliber center who can rebound and play D (and ideally shoot the 3) on minimum contracts.

Have to hope pick 22 and 2031 1st can get you a guy on a rookie deal who is pretty damn good who can play the PG or C spots.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 1:48 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

So you want a starting pg? Do you still envision starting that pg alongside Book, Beal, and KD?

In a perfect world we’d get a PF that plays pg and can be a small ball 5…3 birds with one stone. That doesn’t exist unless you think LeBron is an option.

Beal to the bench would allow for a starting pg, but who are we benching Beal for? He’s not gonna come off the bench for some vet min scrub.

Maybe we can teach Grayson to be a pg.

The Celtics accommodated KG, Pierce and Allen in the same lineup as Rondo. Yes, the game has changed since those days but there is some sort of precedent for playing Booker, KD and Beal alongside a PG.

I suggested giving Allen an opportunity to play as the PG after he had the game where notched up 14 assists. That may have been a fluke but why not look to see if it's something he could transition into? At the end of the day, I'd prefer for Allen to sacrifice some of his game than for Beal or Booker to continue to do so. You could then look to bring in a backup PG for the bench through free agency or even draft for that position.

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 8:02 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 1:48 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

So you want a starting pg? Do you still envision starting that pg alongside Book, Beal, and KD?

In a perfect world we’d get a PF that plays pg and can be a small ball 5…3 birds with one stone. That doesn’t exist unless you think LeBron is an option.

Beal to the bench would allow for a starting pg, but who are we benching Beal for? He’s not gonna come off the bench for some vet min scrub.

Maybe we can teach Grayson to be a pg.

The Celtics accommodated KG, Pierce and Allen in the same lineup as Rondo. Yes, the game has changed since those days but there is some sort of precedent for playing Booker, KD and Beal alongside a PG.

I suggested giving Allen an opportunity to play as the PG after he had the game where notched up 14 assists. That may have been a fluke but why not look to see if it's something he could transition into? At the end of the day, I'd prefer for Allen to sacrifice some of his game than for Beal or Booker to continue to do so. You could then look to bring in a backup PG for the bench through free agency or even draft for that position.

Might be something to this, and maybe Bud can help facilitate that given his history with Allen. Assuming Bud's the coach.

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 8:02 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 1:48 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

So you want a starting pg? Do you still envision starting that pg alongside Book, Beal, and KD?

In a perfect world we’d get a PF that plays pg and can be a small ball 5…3 birds with one stone. That doesn’t exist unless you think LeBron is an option.

Beal to the bench would allow for a starting pg, but who are we benching Beal for? He’s not gonna come off the bench for some vet min scrub.

Maybe we can teach Grayson to be a pg.

The Celtics accommodated KG, Pierce and Allen in the same lineup as Rondo. Yes, the game has changed since those days but there is some sort of precedent for playing Booker, KD and Beal alongside a PG.

I suggested giving Allen an opportunity to play as the PG after he had the game where notched up 14 assists. That may have been a fluke but why not look to see if it's something he could transition into? At the end of the day, I'd prefer for Allen to sacrifice some of his game than for Beal or Booker to continue to do so. You could then look to bring in a backup PG for the bench through free agency or even draft for that position.

Those 3 guys averaged less than 20ppg. Can't see either of the ego twins doing that.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 9:30 pm

- Trade Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four first-round picks, unprotected 2028 pick swap for Kevin Durant

- Trade Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, four unprotected first-round pick swaps, six second-round picks for Bradley Beal

- Trade two first-round pick swaps to Grizzlies for three second-round picks

- Trade unprotected 2026 first-round pick swap to Magic for three second-round picks

- Salary dump Cam Payne and second-round pick to Spurs

- Trade future unprotected first-round pick swap and three second-round picks for Royce O’Neale and David Roddy

Crazy how many picks we have traded in such a short time. This doesn’t include the pick we lost for Ew tampering, or Camara whom we drafted and traded.

1st round picks: Four out.
Swaps: Nine out.
2nd round picks: Ten out, six in, plus Ew and Camara.

That's a pretty dreadful set of transactions. Getting KD is cool and all, but the completely egregious mismanagement of draft picks in that list is enough to make me want to pull my hair out. Especially ones like "trading a future 1st round pick swap for 2-3 2nd round picks." WTF is that shit? Trading a dollar for two quarters.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 9:48 am

That's a pretty dreadful set of transactions. Getting KD is cool and all, but the completely egregious mismanagement of draft picks in that list is enough to make me want to pull my hair out. Especially ones like "trading a future 1st round pick swap for 2-3 2nd round picks." WTF is that shit? Trading a dollar for two quarters.

Unprotected too. We’re sure going to feel silly if we end up giving away a lottery pick for second rounders.

It's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 1:48 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 11:50 pm

The pg crew, are you wanting a starting pg? In place of Grayson? That just makes us so small. I still think Booker is fine at pg, but it would be nice to have a backup pg so he can move off ball at times and to have an option when Booker sits.

I just want Book to be able to be Book. I don't like him sacrificing for the good of the team. And then they all try to be too unselfish which becomes a negative.

So you want a starting pg? Do you still envision starting that pg alongside Book, Beal, and KD?

In a perfect world we’d get a PF that plays pg and can be a small ball 5…3 birds with one stone. That doesn’t exist unless you think LeBron is an option.

Beal to the bench would allow for a starting pg, but who are we benching Beal for? He’s not gonna come off the bench for some vet min scrub.

Maybe we can teach Grayson to be a pg.

I think Beal off the bench is the way to go. Just got to convince him to go for 6th man of the year and be Washington Beal with the second unit.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 9:48 am

That's a pretty dreadful set of transactions. Getting KD is cool and all, but the completely egregious mismanagement of draft picks in that list is enough to make me want to pull my hair out. Especially ones like "trading a future 1st round pick swap for 2-3 2nd round picks." WTF is that shit? Trading a dollar for two quarters.

In a do over, we stick with what we got. Or at the very least, wait for a better deal. A lot of new owner exuberance happened here.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 9:48 am

That's a pretty dreadful set of transactions. Getting KD is cool and all, but the completely egregious mismanagement of draft picks in that list is enough to make me want to pull my hair out. Especially ones like "trading a future 1st round pick swap for 2-3 2nd round picks." WTF is that shit? Trading a dollar for two quarters.

Well I’d also point out that it’s likely those pick swaps amount to nothing. For instance Washington and Memphis both had pick swaps with us this year and got nothing. We traded two pick swaps with Memphis for 3 2nds and one of those pick swaps already passed…so 1.5 free 2nd round picks.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 am

It's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.

What’s insane is that we already tried that route, before the McDonough era, when Sarver would ridicule the draft and rebuilding. Then McDonough just drafted a collection of parts instead of building a team (although the Booker/Ayton/Bridges trio did start playing well together after he left). Then Jones comes in and focuses on building an actual team, but doesn’t like the draft very much. Then we have Ishbia come in and tear the team apart, with his philosophy of “team-building and draft be damned”!

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 11:32 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 am

It's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.

What’s insane is that we already tried that route, before the McDonough era, when Sarver would ridicule the draft and rebuilding. Then McDonough just drafted a collection of parts instead of building a team (although the Booker/Ayton/Bridges trio did start playing well together after he left). Then Jones comes in and focuses on building an actual team, but doesn’t like the draft very much. Then we have Ishbia come in and tear the team apart, with his philosophy of “team-building and draft be damned”!

I'm just glad to see that you've embraced the big fella on this team every time I see you post.