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Of course the Suns will fuck this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

SDC wrote:last time, mcdo was able to acquire bender and chriss... so why not ayton and doncic?

Because Ayton and Doncic don’t suck *** like those guys you named.

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

Even a stud like Embiid got destroyed by Boston team which has no big men really besides Horford.

Bigs aren’t important in today’s NBA except for the PF ones or super mobile ones like Capela.

INFORMER wrote:I also think he'll lean towards Ayton because we already have Booker and Jackson at the 2/3.

Drafting Doncic would take some guts, innovative thinking, and unconventional roster maneuvering. So yeah, it will probably be Ayton.

I trade Jackson and take Doncic if that's what it takes, though I think you can play all 3 together.

iLLmatic wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I also think he'll lean towards Ayton because we already have Booker and Jackson at the 2/3.

Drafting Doncic would take some guts, innovative thinking, and unconventional roster maneuvering. So yeah, it will probably be Ayton.

You stick Doncic at the 1. What maneuvering is required? I still want Doncic over Ayton. Ayton has a bigger bust potential. I'm seeing flashes of Oden and Bowie.

There is a lot to like about Ayton, but sometimes I watch him and think the NBA game is going to marginalize him to just a solid center that averages a double-double but doesn't really elevate the team, somewhat like what we see from Dwight Howard now.

Doncic, on the other hand, just strikes me as a superior basketball player that is going to make his teammates better, hit big shots, and be able to do things few in the NBA can.

I won't be upset with drafting Ayton, but right now I am somewhat skeptical of that being the path that places us in a position to contend.

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

Why? I get that there is no elite 7 foot bigs left, but that doesn't mean you pass on the big men. Do you think Minny is glad they took Wiggins first over Embiid? Should Minny have taken Russell 1st over Towns? Should the pelicans have taken mkg over AD?

I don’t think the Suns can F this up if they pick one of those two guys. Both would be great but, then reality sets in. You get one of them or swing a big trade, which seems unlikely. Pick Ayton and work some sort of deal to aquire a real PG. Pick Doncic and go Center shopping.

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

I'm not quite there. I don't think today's game definitively rules out a big being a difference-maker on a contender. I just shy away from establishing absolutes like that.

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

You should have a look at KD

Split T wrote:

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

Why? I get that there is no elite 7 foot bigs left, but that doesn't mean you pass on the big men. Do you think Minny is glad they took Wiggins first over Embiid? Should Minny have taken Russell 1st over Towns? Should the pelicans have taken mkg over AD?

But let's be accurate here. Davis moves like a small forward. He is a very different prospect than Ayton. Embiid is comparable to Ayton, as is Towns.

Some people point to Houston dominating Towns's Wolves and the Celtics dominating Embiid's Sixes, but I think that isn't an indictment on big men but more so a statement of where their respective teams are in the development process.

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

That Kevin Durant guy looks ok (7ft in shoes)

Come on, Gladiator.

INFORMER wrote:

Split T wrote:

carey wrote:Of course the Suns will f*** this up. I have NO idea how you could watch these playoffs and come away thinking, "I'll draft a 7-footer with the first overall pick!"

Why? I get that there is no elite 7 foot bigs left, but that doesn't mean you pass on the big men. Do you think Minny is glad they took Wiggins first over Embiid? Should Minny have taken Russell 1st over Towns? Should the pelicans have taken mkg over AD?

But let's be accurate here. Davis moves like a small forward. He is a very different prospect than Ayton. Embiid is comparable to Ayton, as is Towns.

Some people point to Houston dominating Towns's Wolves and the Celtics dominating Embiid's Sixes, but I think that isn't an indictment on big men but more so a statement of where their respective teams are in the development process.

True, AD is not a good comparison for Ayton. I didn't mean to imply that. Just think the idea that you should always take guards and wings over bigs shouldn't be the case. Doncic is the only non big even worth considering at #1 and he's not a bonafide superstar wing.

Has Ayton shown he has the ability to be the next Embiid? Even if he does reach that level will that be enough?

I think for a team that wants to start winning you have to go with the proven talent. Ayton may end up being better in the long run but Doncic has proven he can lead a team.

INFORMER wrote:

SDC wrote:last time, mcdo was able to acquire bender and chriss... so why not ayton and doncic?

Because teams actually covet those prospects.

i'm not sure how much the kings and the hawks covet doncic. luka will probably drop to #4, which is just perfect for memphis.

Would you guys trade #1 overall? What would it take?

I'd trade it for Giannis or AD but NO/Mil aren't trading those guys. Would you trade it for KAT? Jokic? Embiid? Simmons? Kawhi? Lillard? Mitchell? Tatum?

Most of those guys are not being moved by their teams, just trying to gauge how we value Ayton/Doncic with probably 9 years control.

dangle josh jackson for the #2 (or #3)

The most important thing is how a team plays together, not the pieces that make up the team. That's why Boston will beat Cleveland.

Split T wrote:Would you guys trade #1 overall? What would it take?

I'd trade it for Giannis or AD but NO/Mil aren't trading those guys. Would you trade it for KAT? Jokic? Embiid? Simmons? Kawhi? Lillard? Mitchell? Tatum?

Most of those guys are not being moved by their teams, just trying to gauge how we value Ayton/Doncic with probably 9 years control.

swap picks with the kings then ask for additional compensation.

SDC wrote:dangle josh jackson for the #2 (or #3)

Jackson doesn't hold that much value