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carey wrote:I don't think emptying the cupboard is a good idea. I'd draw the line at the Morris twins, Tucker, and 3 of our 1st rounders. We have 5 in the next 3 years so missing a draft is fine with me. If they want Goodwin it would be 2 first rounders. What would our back up PF be? I ask with all seriousness... Amare? Also our bench looks a little suspect. With this much money going around it will be hard to fill it out with vet minimum guys. A guy like Ed Davis could be key.

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I respect your take, but I think that this is waaaaay too much to give PDX for a player who is forcing himself out of town as a UFA anyway. I'd rather keep the Morri if we're giving up THAT much. Why would the Suns need to include picks at all???

Indeed, I even think that salary dumping Markieff is something I'd really prefer not to do. Dump Tucker and Marcus if you need to. Keep Markieff -- massive massive bargain of a contract and has extremely high value for that reason.
Sadly, there's no question the twins have to go to fit in LMA's deal and Chandler's new deal. Even if we sign Knight last. Even if we renounce all other cap holds & exceptions. Even if we move Goodwin, Bullock, & Tucker first. Even if Chandler is a sign and trade. I'll explain it later in the cap post but we had $13M in space and we would need to fit in $33M roughly.
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It's a shame because Kieff's deal is an absolute steal. I mean, freakin Iman shumpert is making more then him. I also think bringing Chandler a board will not only help his game, but also hold him more accountable.

That said if you have to jettison him to make room for Aldridge you do it.

Aldridge is the best player in the FA Pool. He is better then Love IMO. He obviously helps you on the court, but he also makes a statement about our franchise if we get him, one that players do want to come here and it will help us in the future. I don't understand anyone not wanting this move, sure you need more pieces, but this would absolutely be a building block for this franchise if you bring him aboard and it helps the perception of our team a great deal. It would be our biggest FA acquisition since the Nash signing and it really isn't close IMO.
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The Morrii + Tucker + Granger = about $20 million.

If you can get Dallas or Portland to agree to a S&T that would take care of part of the problem. As pointed out earlier, the Morrii for Chandler would be a big start.
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I think you're using "exciting" very liberally.
I don't. Players in the league know talent and we have young talent. 1 guy can help put it all together. Spurs are a different class with TP and Kahwi and Green. But do they really excite? Manu and TimD have maybe 2 years left, then what. TP is 33 years old. We have a 24 yr old Bledsoe, 23 yr old Knight on 5 year deals. Tyson Chandler a veteran with a ring who can shoulder the defensive load. If we get LMA, there's a legit 3 year window right now.

But hey what do I know. Minnesota's like a year away from contending right?

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This is a really good article about our cap situation and how we could fit both LMA & Chandler. I don't think it's possible to operate as an "over the cap" team because it requires Portland AND Dallas to be willing trade partners which would divest us of players AND picks but also open up the various exceptions. I guess we'll see.

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Anyone else thinking that Knight and Bledsoe's contracts look darn good considering all the other deals being signed this year?

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carey wrote:This is a really good article about our cap situation and how we could fit both LMA & Chandler. I don't think it's possible to operate as an "over the cap" team because it requires Portland AND Dallas to be willing trade partners which would divest us of players AND picks but also open up the various exceptions. I guess we'll see.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... -cap-magic
Tucker and bullock/goodwin to Dallas for Chandler
Morris twins to Portland for LMA

If I understand the article correctly, this would work with the cap. Probably have to throw some incentives in there too get Dallas to bite. Send them the Cleveland pick, send Portland one of the Miami picks.

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Cap wrote:
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:If Brandan has indeed reached a deal, how much more capspace would we get by renouncing his bird rights?

If the S&T is for Chandler (I think the twins and a late pick for their troubles should suffice), is our current caps space plus the caps holds for Wright and Green, enough to take us within the 5mill range for an outright signing of LMA?
The $5M amount is for a trade. To sign him outright, we'd need to fit his entire first-year salary under the cap.
Then we use the Dragic TE to round up the roster, and we are set.
The TE has a cap hold unless renounced. We'll have to renounce it to make room for the FA activity.
Thank you very much Cap. I was mixing things up. But still, getting LMA and Chandler on board doesn't look like a titanic task, capwise. Certainly not like Sacramento's level of dumping. really interested on seeing who they take for that double hefty price on dumping + new salary.

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carey wrote:This is a really good article about our cap situation and how we could fit both LMA & Chandler. I don't think it's possible to operate as an "over the cap" team because it requires Portland AND Dallas to be willing trade partners which would divest us of players AND picks but also open up the various exceptions. I guess we'll see.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... -cap-magic
Thanks for the link, this article wraps things up very nicely.

That thing about the twins needing permission to leave the state, worries me a lot. I don't think it makes them untradeable, but still, any taker would be able to step up their price. I would be very happy if we can pull this off without losing any youngster, except for Goodwin, at that's only because I have high hopes in Booker, as well as having Bodgan on the horizon.

So, I hope McD has something lined up with the twins, Tucker and picks.
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It was interesting listening to one of the NBA guys interviewed on AZ Sports Radio saying that there was a lot of interest in Archie around the league.
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Superbone wrote:It was interesting listening to one of the NBA guys interviewed on AZ Sports Radio saying that there was a lot of interest in Archie around the league.
Yeah, I think that was Bucher.
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Superbone wrote:It was interesting listening to one of the NBA guys interviewed on AZ Sports Radio saying that there was a lot of interest in Archie around the league.
Yeah, I think that was Bucher.
Yeah, I think you're right. BTW, for anybody that doesn't know, the AZ Sports app is great for getting Suns interviews. I think they're delayed by a day though.
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I was wondering about Archie's value...not surprising he probably has admirers. Just 20 years old, good size and great speed and athleticism. He's the kind of guy teams would want in a package to sweeten the deal.

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Superbone wrote:
carey wrote:
Superbone wrote:It was interesting listening to one of the NBA guys interviewed on AZ Sports Radio saying that there was a lot of interest in Archie around the league.
Yeah, I think that was Bucher.
Yeah, I think you're right. BTW, for anybody that doesn't know, the AZ Sports app is great for getting Suns interviews. I think they're delayed by a day though.
Nope! They are almost always up within 3 hours.
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carey wrote:
Superbone wrote:
carey wrote:
Superbone wrote:It was interesting listening to one of the NBA guys interviewed on AZ Sports Radio saying that there was a lot of interest in Archie around the league.
Yeah, I think that was Bucher.
Yeah, I think you're right. BTW, for anybody that doesn't know, the AZ Sports app is great for getting Suns interviews. I think they're delayed by a day though.
Nope! They are almost always up within 3 hours.
Alright, cool. That's good to know.
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Broussard saying us, Clips, Houston, and Mavs are showing interest in Amare as a backup big.

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We are bumping into the Mavs a lot, this FA's year.

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Has anyone cooled off from getting LA? The amount of assets we will have to give up coupled with how much money we are paying Chandler kind of scares me. Plus, I think the front office is banking a lot on the development of TJ, Len, Bledsoe, and Knight. Otherwise, this is basically the Trailblazers of last year, no? It seems like McD is blowing his wad on LA, I wonder if Sarver really pressured him to start winning now instead of slowly building a contender. I just don't know if this is the type of player that is a cornerstone, franchise player that can lead us to the promise land.

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And LA just lost Ed Davis, that Lakers pick is gonna be a good one this year :(

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iLLmatic wrote:Has anyone cooled off from getting LA? The amount of assets we will have to give up coupled with how much money we are paying Chandler kind of scares me. Plus, I think the front office is banking a lot on the development of TJ, Len, Bledsoe, and Knight. Otherwise, this is basically the Trailblazers of last year, no? It seems like McD is blowing his wad on LA, I wonder if Sarver really pressured him to start winning now instead of slowly building a contender. I just don't know if this is the type of player that is a cornerstone, franchise player that can lead us to the promise land.
I haven't cooled off. I like the thought of LMA with Chandler and Len, along with the guards and Warren.
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