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Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 am
by AmareIsGod
That's not the point. The point is trying to find some sort of positive here. By any and all accounts, it was a very below average game by Ayton and yet you're making it sound like he played some encouraging basketball.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:08 pm
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 am
That's not the point. The point is trying to find some sort of positive here. By any and all accounts, it was a very below average game by Ayton and yet you're making it sound like he played some encouraging basketball.
Lol what? I didn't say a word about how Ayton played.
I was just posting Suns Twitter's "certified expert" on Ayton's play from Blazers Reddit, Piano9717.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:34 pm
by Mori Chu
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:51 am
More random fan comments?
What happened to y’all’s boy Piano9717 on Reddit? Y’all aren’t going to post what that same fan with the critical comments from the last game said about this game? I thought he was the most credible source that could possibly be found on the interwebs?
Piano9717 from last night: [...]
I genuinely have no idea who "Piano9717" is, lol. The whole "quote a random dude from Twitter/Reddit" thing is not very compelling, neither when arguing for Ayton nor against him. Sometimes individual comments are good for a chuckle, but they don't mean much.
It's only been a few preseason games, so folks should wait a while before making any sweeping conclusions about Ayton or Nurkic or any other player. But at some point, if the argument seems to keep coming back to, "No coach is brilliant enough to use DA correctly!", well, maybe a max player shouldn't need to be so carefully managed in order to be effective. I don't hear the same criticism being made about other top centers in the league, such as Embiid or Jokic or guys of that nature. They just contribute.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:57 pm
by AmareIsGod
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:08 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 am
That's not the point. The point is trying to find some sort of positive here. By any and all accounts, it was a very below average game by Ayton and yet you're making it sound like he played some encouraging basketball.
Lol what? I didn't say a word about how Ayton played.
I was just posting Suns Twitter's "certified expert" on Ayton's play from Blazers Reddit, Piano9717.
So you're pointing out positive praise of his play indirectly and trying to rub it in as some sort of "he's all your boy and he's saying positive things so..". It's easy to see what you're trying to do.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:58 pm
by TOO
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:08 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 am
That's not the point. The point is trying to find some sort of positive here. By any and all accounts, it was a very below average game by Ayton and yet you're making it sound like he played some encouraging basketball.
Lol what? I didn't say a word about how Ayton played.
I was just posting Suns Twitter's "certified expert" on Ayton's play from Blazers Reddit, Piano9717.
Of course you didn't say a word about how Ayton played, you'd never bad mouth him lol. Instead you whine about his replacement.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:59 pm
by specialsauce
Piano dude don’t get it either. Ain’t nobody gonna run their offense through Deandre Ayton. He’s not even the third best offensive option on that team. They’re going to operate through Scoot and Anf and Ayton will be left to set screens and look lost as usual. It’s not because Billups hates Ayton, it’s because Ayton is…….mediocre.
His contract:performance ratio is a huge mismatch
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:23 pm
by MightyMoog
He’s elite at shooting from mid range and hook shots.
He’s average at rebounding.
He’s below average at defending at the rim.
He’s slightly above average at defending on the perimeter.
He’s dead last at dribbling.
He’s whatever at passing.
Doesn’t make for an all star.
There’s no way you should have a max contract if you’re not an all star or at least a Brandon Knight type player
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:44 pm
by Cap
MightyMoog wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:23 pm
There’s no way you should have a max contract if you’re not an all star or at least a Brandon Knight type player
BASTOPR!
Borderline All-Star in That One Playoff Run
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:18 pm
by Mori Chu
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:34 pm
by specialsauce
MightyMoog wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:23 pm
He’s elite at shooting from mid range and hook shots.
He’s average at rebounding.
He’s below average at defending at the rim.
He’s slightly above average at defending on the perimeter.
He’s dead last at dribbling.
He’s whatever at passing.
Doesn’t make for an all star.
There’s no way you should have a max contract if you’re not an all star or at least a Brandon Knight type player
And he’s below average at getting in position to get to that hook shot or making adjustments if teams defend him differently, which renders his go-to move very easy to stop
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:23 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I think the thing I love most is never having to watch him loaf back down the court after some random turnover or rebound away from his side of the court.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:38 pm
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:57 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:08 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 am
That's not the point. The point is trying to find some sort of positive here. By any and all accounts, it was a very below average game by Ayton and yet you're making it sound like he played some encouraging basketball.
Lol what? I didn't say a word about how Ayton played.
I was just posting Suns Twitter's "certified expert" on Ayton's play from Blazers Reddit, Piano9717.
So you're pointing out positive praise of his play indirectly and trying to rub it in as some sort of "he's all your boy and he's saying positive things so..". It's easy to see what you're trying to do.
What I'm trying to do is point out the hypocrisy of taking his summary of the first game as gospel, and then dismissing his summary of the second game because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:39 pm
by JeremyG
MightyMoog wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:23 pm
He’s average at rebounding.
Statistics and history do not back up that assertion.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:45 pm
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:34 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:51 am
More random fan comments?
What happened to y’all’s boy Piano9717 on Reddit? Y’all aren’t going to post what that same fan with the critical comments from the last game said about this game? I thought he was the most credible source that could possibly be found on the interwebs?
Piano9717 from last night: [...]
I genuinely have no idea who "Piano9717" is, lol. The whole "quote a random dude from Twitter/Reddit" thing is not very compelling, neither when arguing for Ayton nor against him. Sometimes individual comments are good for a chuckle, but they don't mean much.
It's only been a few preseason games, so folks should wait a while before making any sweeping conclusions about Ayton or Nurkic or any other player. But at some point, if the argument seems to keep coming back to, "No coach is brilliant enough to use DA correctly!", well, maybe a max player shouldn't need to be so carefully managed in order to be effective. I don't hear the same criticism being made about other top centers in the league, such as Embiid or Jokic or guys of that nature. They just contribute.
This is "Piano9717," the post above "SlamDunkleyKong":
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:46 pm
by JeremyG
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:59 pm
Piano dude don’t get it either. Ain’t nobody gonna run their offense through Deandre Ayton. He’s not even the third best offensive option on that team. They’re going to operate through Scoot and Anf and Ayton will be left to set screens and look lost as usual. It’s not because Billups hates Ayton, it’s because Ayton is…….mediocre.
His contract:performance ratio is a huge mismatch
Explain why he's the top ranked Blazer in the ESPN Top 100.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:56 pm
by TOO
Why does ESPN have 33 players ahead of Kyrie? Get outta here with that lol. ESPN is dogshit.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:34 pm
by specialsauce
Jokey guy
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:57 pm
by MightyMoog
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:39 pm
MightyMoog wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:23 pm
He’s average at rebounding.
Statistics and history do not back up that assertion.
He was 12th in the league in rebounding last year. The league has 30 teams. Meaning he’s near the middle of all starting centers. If you want to pull hairs, he’s slightly above average.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:37 pm
by specialsauce
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:46 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:59 pm
Piano dude don’t get it either. Ain’t nobody gonna run their offense through Deandre Ayton. He’s not even the third best offensive option on that team. They’re going to operate through Scoot and Anf and Ayton will be left to set screens and look lost as usual. It’s not because Billups hates Ayton, it’s because Ayton is…….mediocre.
His contract:performance ratio is a huge mismatch
Explain why he's the top ranked Blazer in the ESPN Top 100.
If it’s in the rankings it must be true!
Enjoy the last few weeks of this debate. By January, nobody will be talking about him leaguewide in a positive or negative way. He’ll be just another overpaid role player on a low level team
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:23 pm
by iLLmatic
Here’s an interesting stat, Ayton only had 5 or more assists a game 3% of his games played with the Suns.
https://x.com/DarthVoita/status/1712683 ... 90182?s=20
