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SwingMan wrote:Frye's the reason we need a 4 - badly. There's little doubt who needs their minutes cut, if not outright eliminated and/or traded.

What about space and his synergy with Dragic? If you remove Frye, Kieff doesn't work with the guards nearly as well since he is a midrange one on one player. And the fact is that Morris is not a relevant defender or rebounder either. If you spend on Bledsoe and keep Dragic, you better provide them with the best environment possible to attack the rim, and a stretch big man is essential for these purposes. I'd be ok with reducing his minutes, very much like PJ's (around 20mpg would be ideal in both cases and honestly I wouldn't play Kieff much more than that either), but I aknowledge his role as an important part of what this team does.

SwingMan wrote:And please, for the dozenth time, folks - don't refer to the Morris twins as if they were some sort of biological fungus. Leave the kitchy crap to BSOTS where it originated.....

Yeah, that's not going to happen. I absolutely love the Morrii name and will probably refer to them like that forever hehehe.

SwingMan wrote:And please, for the dozenth time, folks - don't refer to the Morris twins as if they were some sort of biological fungus. Leave the kitchy crap to BSOTS where it originated.....

What on earth are you talking about? You mean calling them the Morii or whatever?

Ring_Wanted wrote:
What about space and his synergy with Dragic? If you remove Frye, Kieff doesn't work with the guards nearly as well since he is a midrange one on one player. And the fact is that Morris is not a relevant defender or rebounder either. If you spend on Bledsoe and keep Dragic, you better provide them with the best environment possible to attack the rim, and a stretch big man is essential for these purposes.

This post is spot on. Swing's dislike of Frye, or rather the way Frye played the second half of the season, is the reason he wants to replace him so badly. Granted, he shot poorly the second half of the season, but even the threat of him getting it going outside was enough to give Goran the lanes he desperately needed to attack the rim.

We need more talent all over the place honestly. We need one or two more pure shooters. We need a PF that can bang with the big guys. Some of this may be found within by Len and Goodwin developing, but I think we need to consider all options at this point.

carey wrote:We need more talent all over the place honestly. We need one or two more pure shooters. We need a PF that can bang with the big guys. Some of this may be found within by Len and Goodwin developing, but I think we need to consider all options at this point.

Spot on.

carey wrote:

SwingMan wrote:And please, for the dozenth time, folks - don't refer to the Morris twins as if they were some sort of biological fungus. Leave the kitchy crap to BSOTS where it originated.....

What on earth are you talking about? You mean calling them the Morii or whatever?

Ring_Wanted wrote:
What about space and his synergy with Dragic? If you remove Frye, Kieff doesn't work with the guards nearly as well since he is a midrange one on one player. And the fact is that Morris is not a relevant defender or rebounder either. If you spend on Bledsoe and keep Dragic, you better provide them with the best environment possible to attack the rim, and a stretch big man is essential for these purposes.

This post is spot on. Swing's dislike of Frye, or rather the way Frye played the second half of the season, is the reason he wants to replace him so badly. Granted, he shot poorly the second half of the season, but even the threat of him getting it going outside was enough to give Goran the lanes he desperately needed to attack the rim.

We need more talent all over the place honestly. We need one or two more pure shooters. We need a PF that can bang with the big guys. Some of this may be found within by Len and Goodwin developing, but I think we need to consider all options at this point.

So - you want to sacrifice $6.8 million for a decoy? Uh, no - Frye offers zero when his shot isn't on, which is a hell of a lot more the case than not. And it's not myself who's observed that even here.

As for you RW, if you want to be an unoriginal follower who degrades players, by all means.....

MoBros > Morrii

MoBros > Mori for that matter



*Waits for ban hammer*

And I agree w/Swing.. Paying 6.8m for a decoy is bonkers. Frye offers little else when his shot is off (which is far too often given his price tag.)

SwingMan wrote:So - you want to sacrifice $6.8 million for a decoy? Uh, no - Frye offers zero when his shot isn't on, which is a hell of a lot more the case than not. And it's not myself who's observed that even here.

As for you RW, if you want to be an unoriginal follower who degrades players, by all means.....

It's a matter of personnel and roles. If you have two PGs who penetrate a lot you need space. Frye is the stretch PF we have, and until he had legs, he was playing pretty well. I've always thought his defense is underrated but what he did the second half of the season is not justifiable. If next year he plays the way he has after the allstar, you won't hear more from me defending him.

If he would at least rebound it would be so much easier to give him a pass. There is no reason he shouldnt get at least 8 reb per game at that size, he's just too big of a puss to try. Rebounding is effort, and he shows none consistently.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

SwingMan wrote:So - you want to sacrifice $6.8 million for a decoy? Uh, no - Frye offers zero when his shot isn't on, which is a hell of a lot more the case than not. And it's not myself who's observed that even here.

As for you RW, if you want to be an unoriginal follower who degrades players, by all means.....

It's a matter of personnel and roles. If you have two PGs who penetrate a lot you need space. Frye is the stretch PF we have, and until he had legs, he was playing pretty well. I've always thought his defense is underrated but what he did the second half of the season is not justifiable. If next year he plays the way he has after the allstar, you won't hear more from me defending him.

Only thing that's changed about Frye is that he missed a season. It's always been the same - if his shot's not on, he offers nothing but rebounding with hands dipped in fresh bacon grease & and-1's when he attempts to play his world class brand of *reach defense* anywhere within 10' of the damn basket.

It's been the same old story in each of the 5 seasons he's played here - teams aren't going to fall for head fakes in perpetuity and it's not nearly worth taking up a roster spot that could be used to get some REAL help at 4.

I'm sorry - I'm not down on Frye as a person, but as a player, he's a net negative (pun intended).

You and I see different regarding what Frye can do. You can tell me he has not defended for a big chunk of the season. I agree. It happens that I've also watched him defend LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love or Blake Griffin. How? Because when he has fresh legs he knows where to be and how to use his considerable lenght. Mock it if you want, I don't care as long as you don't put words in my mouth.

You cant really make a case for a guy because he's defended a few guys well because there is a whole league full of teams he hasnt defended well. I'm not buying that argument.

Sunsfan4life wrote:Jordan Adams really slimmed down. Lost like 20lbs I think.

He did well in the shooting drills as well, I think he'll play his way into the lottery by the end of the process. Guy can really score the ball, but his main knock was his inability to have a quickness and stay in front people.

I really don't think there is any chance Adams goes in the lottery. He really struggled against good competition and I think his scoring ability will be limited at the pro level against stronger, faster, and longer defenders. It's great that he lost weight though; he really needed to.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:You cant really make a case for a guy because he's defended a few guys well because there is a whole league full of teams he hasnt defended well. I'm not buying that argument.

I am not saying that those were the only ones Frye defended well. He has been here a long time now and I've seen enough games to know that he is not nearly as bad as pictured by some, many even. Again, not saying anything about the second half of this season other than I believe fatigue did him, as well as others.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:They'd be the same reactions we'd have had last year if we drafted MCW. Woulda been a complete WTF moment..

I don't think that's accurate. Word got out before last year's draft that the Suns were high on MCW. I don't anyone being vehemently against him, although most thought there were better options available at #5.

MCW and Ennis are two very different prospects. At least MCW offered more than just being the run of the mill traditional point guard. Drafting Ennis would be repeating the same mistake the Suns made when they drafted Marshall.

Ring_Wanted wrote: So what would you do? Do you let PJ go? Trying to move the Morrii, Frye, Green, Miles? Or do you keep everybody and bank on the kids developing enough to overtake the vets in a couple of years?

Frye can/should be moved or have his minutes/role reduced.

Tucker and Green are keepers.

The Morris Twins can be sent packing. Use them to move up to land Aaron Gordon or Noah Vonleh.

Miles could go either way, depending on the trade, free agency, and what happens with the draft.

That's where I stand as well, with the exception of Plumlee. I want to keep Miles unless offered something too good to turn down.

Speaking of Aaron Gordon, what are the odds that he is there at 14? Given his potential there shouldn't be many, but what is a probable destination? Theorically he won't be top5, right? Assuming nothing changes too much in the lotto, the Lakers, Kings and Pistons are next.

I can't see the Kings or Detroit taking him considering the rest of their roster and other available prospects in their range. LAL needs everything but there's a chance that Gordon is not the best player at 6. If that's the case, who is going to pick him?

The Nuggets have the Manimal. Cleveland has Thompson and Bennet.

Minni seems like a great fit since they play fast, have Rubio and could really use his defense.

Then you have the two teams with a second pick. Orlando doesn't see like the best option with Harris and Harkless, but Philly has plenty of room, especially if they decide to move Thad, and they were the team with the fastest pace last season. If they add say Wiggins and Gordon they'd be in a terrific position.

INFORMER wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:They'd be the same reactions we'd have had last year if we drafted MCW. Woulda been a complete WTF moment..

I don't think that's accurate. Word got out before last year's draft that the Suns were high on MCW. I don't anyone being vehemently against him, although most thought there were better options available at #5.

MCW and Ennis are two very different prospects. At least MCW offered more than just being the run of the mill traditional point guard. Drafting Ennis would be repeating the same mistake the Suns made when they drafted Marshall.

I gotta be honest, I don't watch too much college ball but when I watched the scouting video put together by DraftExpress all I kept thinking was Kendall Marshall.

If Aaron Gordon is still there at 14....I may run on stage and draft him myself. I'm hoping he has underwhelming workouts so he slips.

If He's still there at say...10 I think 19 would be enough to jump up 4 spots and draft him. I like him enough to do it....

Oh...and count me on the being down on Tyler Ennis bandwagon.