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Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:23 pm
by JeremyG
INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:18 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 3:53 pm
I don't know why I didn't think of this in my other Ayton trade possibilities, but Detroit makes a ton of sense. Duren, Bogdanovich and Burks for Ayton and Shamet - or something like that. I'd love to find a way to get Beef Stew also.
Detroit already has 2 other centers, which complicates things, but they're at least giving up one in the trade.
I don't think Detroit is in the Ayton market anymore. The love Duren, and he will probably be better than Ayton.
Not now LOL.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:37 pm
by Shabazz
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:40 pm
Yeah, I think Okogie played himself back to a minimum contract.
It only takes one…
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:44 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:37 pm
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 6:40 pm
Yeah, I think Okogie played himself back to a minimum contract.
It only takes one…
True. And if that one happens, so be it. The Suns should make an offer at the minimum (2 year, guaranteed), and if Okogie can do better, then good for him.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:32 am
by Split T
Ya, we need to save any exceptions we have for guys we know can be in the rotation
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:29 pm
by Split T
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:38 pm
by INFORMER
If we move Ayton to Dallas and get the #10 pick back, I definitely see James Jones trading it to Chicago for Alex Caruso.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:43 pm
by specialsauce
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:38 pm
If we move Ayton to Dallas and get the #10 pick back, I definitely see James Jones trading it to Chicago for Alex Caruso.
Lol
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:53 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:38 pm
If we move Ayton to Dallas and get the #10 pick back, I definitely see James Jones trading it to Chicago for Alex Caruso.
Dallas' 2024 pick is going to New York (protected 1-10). Can they even trade their 2023 pick?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:57 pm
by Split T
Shamet and 10 to the bulls for Caruso and a lottery protected future 1st. I’d do that
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:59 pm
by Split T
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:53 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:38 pm
If we move Ayton to Dallas and get the #10 pick back, I definitely see James Jones trading it to Chicago for Alex Caruso.
Dallas' 2024 pick is going to New York (protected 1-10). Can they even trade their 2023 pick?
They can draft the player and then trade him. If everything is worked out ahead of time it’s doable. But that would make it trickier
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:59 pm
by INFORMER
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:53 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:38 pm
If we move Ayton to Dallas and get the #10 pick back, I definitely see James Jones trading it to Chicago for Alex Caruso.
Dallas' 2024 pick is going to New York (protected 1-10). Can they even trade their 2023 pick?
Yes. They would just have to make the selection on behalf of another team.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:06 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Ah, duh. Thanks. I already knew that but the coffee hasn't reached my brain yet.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:08 pm
by wpmiller42
I wonder if Detroit would do Shamet for Hayes + pick #31?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:09 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
What else would it take for the Bulls to agree to this deal?
Suns: DeRozan, Caruso
Bulls: Bertans, Hardaway Jr., #10
Mavs: Ayton
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:14 pm
by INFORMER
Bertans contract would be a non-starter for them. And I don't think they would value THJ.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:24 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Bertans' deal has 2 years left. It's not all that terrible for a tanking/rebuilding team, which is what this kind of move would indicate.
THJ, maybe you're right. Ball isn't coming back anytime soon, so maybe they'd completely clean house.
The 2025 free agent class is pretty good, and they could be enticed by freeing up $30M+ from those two guys.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:30 pm
by INFORMER
I think they would want to retool, not tank. DeRozan is still a great player (with a great salary) and all they would have to show for moving him would basically be the 10th pick.
Ball is basically $20 million in dead money, so adding Bertans salary would almost double the money they have on the books that they're not seeing any ROI.
I don't see how that deal would entice them. Maybe if they were getting Cam Payne and Josh Green, and not taking on Bertans deal.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:33 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
OK, bad deal.
All I want to know is how it could be possible to get DeRozan and Caruso on the Suns for Ayton and whatever else.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:09 pm
by Split T
Probably easier to just deal with Chicago directly. They’d need to be interested in Ayton.
Ayton, Shamet, and some pick swaps for Derozan/Caruso?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:13 pm
by INFORMER
I thought they were a strong candidate to be trade partner, but word is they are trying to bring Vucevic back.